peeps in low light

kcub · November 5, 2015, 09:52 PM

What to do? Have both eyes open? How'd they do it in WW2 on Tarawa when the Japs snuck up on their fox holes at night? They had Garands and M1 carbines with peeps and there wasn't much light if any.

waveslayer · November 5, 2015, 11:16 PM

point and shot, pray and spray

bamaranger · November 6, 2015, 06:02 AM

For some descriptive accounts of Marine combat in WWII, Sledge's book, "With the old breed" is a good one. He wrote another one too, but the title escapes me.

kcub · November 6, 2015, 08:41 AM

I just saw HBO mini series "The Pacific", like a marines "Band of Brothers". It was based in part on Sledge's book. Very good.

T. O'Heir · November 6, 2015, 01:55 PM

On Tarawa the troopies had grenades and MG's. Low light is one of the downsides to peep sights. Still way better than previous sights that disappear altogether. However, there are techniques where the sights are not used.
"The Pacific", like "Band of Brothers", is highly fictionalized. No Tarawa battle and "soldiers who were picked to return home to increase the sales of war bonds" is copied from a 1950's vintage movie. Forget which one.

wogpotter · November 6, 2015, 02:03 PM

I don't know about anyone else but the British simply flipped down the ladder sight with it's small aperture used for accurate long range daylight shooting & used the "ghost ring" Battle sight on the Lee-Enfields.
If you look at Singer type rear sights the "battle sight" apertures grew bigger & bigger over time. Once the hole hit about 6~7mm it was as big as the maximally-dilated iris of the shooter.

AK103K · November 6, 2015, 03:00 PM

At the ranges the gun will likely be used in the dark, just shoot over top of them. Its just like shooting a handgun when you shoot over top of them, youve shouldered/presented the gun so many times in practice, youre just using a different index.

Peeps are great for "target" or more precise shooting in good light, not so much for other things. Ghost rings help, as does lots of "practical" practice, for when they arent the best.

jmr40 · November 6, 2015, 03:43 PM

Machine guns locked into position with overlapping fields of fire.

pete2 · November 6, 2015, 05:35 PM

They trained us to shoot over the top in the army, not much training, just one nite at very close range. I ended up in the Cav and we used machine guns, no sights, tracers.

November 5, 2015, 09:52 PM	#1
kcub Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2010 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 3,318	peeps in low light What to do? Have both eyes open? How'd they do it in WW2 on Tarawa when the Japs snuck up on their fox holes at night? They had Garands and M1 carbines with peeps and there wasn't much light if any.

November 6, 2015, 06:02 AM	#3
bamaranger Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2009 Location: North Alabama Posts: 8,303	Sledge For some descriptive accounts of Marine combat in WWII, Sledge's book, "With the old breed" is a good one. He wrote another one too, but the title escapes me.

November 6, 2015, 01:55 PM	#5
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,453	On Tarawa the troopies had grenades and MG's. Low light is one of the downsides to peep sights. Still way better than previous sights that disappear altogether. However, there are techniques where the sights are not used. "The Pacific", like "Band of Brothers", is highly fictionalized. No Tarawa battle and "soldiers who were picked to return home to increase the sales of war bonds" is copied from a 1950's vintage movie. Forget which one. __________________ Spelling and grammar count!

November 6, 2015, 02:03 PM	#6
wogpotter Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2004 Posts: 4,811	I don't know about anyone else but the British simply flipped down the ladder sight with it's small aperture used for accurate long range daylight shooting & used the "ghost ring" Battle sight on the Lee-Enfields. If you look at Singer type rear sights the "battle sight" apertures grew bigger & bigger over time. Once the hole hit about 6~7mm it was as big as the maximally-dilated iris of the shooter. __________________ Allan Quatermain: “Automatic rifles. Who in God's name has automatic rifles”? Elderly Hunter: “That's dashed unsporting. Probably Belgium.” Last edited by wogpotter; November 6, 2015 at 03:28 PM.

November 5, 2015, 11:16 PM	#2
waveslayer Senior Member Join Date: August 22, 2013 Posts: 246	point and shot, pray and spray

November 6, 2015, 08:41 AM	#4
kcub Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2010 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 3,318	I just saw HBO mini series "The Pacific", like a marines "Band of Brothers". It was based in part on Sledge's book. Very good.

November 6, 2015, 03:00 PM	#7
AK103K Senior Member Join Date: May 1, 2001 Posts: 10,223	At the ranges the gun will likely be used in the dark, just shoot over top of them. Its just like shooting a handgun when you shoot over top of them, youve shouldered/presented the gun so many times in practice, youre just using a different index. Peeps are great for "target" or more precise shooting in good light, not so much for other things. Ghost rings help, as does lots of "practical" practice, for when they arent the best.

November 6, 2015, 03:43 PM	#8
jmr40 Senior Member Join Date: June 15, 2008 Location: Georgia Posts: 10,805	Machine guns locked into position with overlapping fields of fire.

November 6, 2015, 05:35 PM	#9
pete2 Senior Member Join Date: May 15, 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 2,566	They trained us to shoot over the top in the army, not much training, just one nite at very close range. I ended up in the Cav and we used machine guns, no sights, tracers.