.22short/long

spearman · September 5, 2014, 05:52 PM

Is .22 short and.22 long still made or available?

saleen322 · September 5, 2014, 06:05 PM

Shorts are and a LR case with a short bullet is generally referred to as a Long. I think at least the CCI CB, a long, is still being made and likely others.

bedbugbilly · September 5, 2014, 07:02 PM

Both are still being made. I bought some of both - CCI - a couple of years ago. Couldn't get LR but they had a couple of boxes of each. The clerk (who was young) asked my why the heck I'd want 'em as I couldn't shoot them out of a semi-auto. I told him I had a newly designed handgun . . . it's called a revolver.

243winxb · September 5, 2014, 07:50 PM

The barret twist rate needs to be correct for the 22 short or accuracy will be poor. I found this out with High Standard Pistols when comparing both standard LR & short barrels.

Pahoo · September 5, 2014, 07:56 PM

Last week I was able to find two boxes of .22-Shorts by Remington. Have not seen Longs for many years now and not even sure if stores even want to stock them. ....

Be Safe !!!

Cheapshooter · September 6, 2014, 01:12 PM

I was able to find CCI High Velocity 22 Short at bangitammo.com a month or so ago when I bought an NAA Mini Revolver in 22 Short. Ordered 500 rounds when I could. Don't think they have it anymore, but. I'll get another 500 when I can. I have seen it at other places on line, but at twenty five bucks per 100, no thanks!

**Aguila Blanca** · September 6, 2014, 02:53 PM

The .22 Long preceded the .22 Long Rifle by many years, but the Long Rifle has taken over the market. There's little demand for a round that uses the same case, shoots a lighter bullet and travels slower. With the vast bulk of manufacturing now focused on .22 LR, the older .22 Long now costs more in the stores than .22 LR. Same with Short -- it's available, but it's not a bargain.

baddarryl · September 7, 2014, 08:55 PM

CCI makes long. i just bought some last summer.

North East Redneck · September 7, 2014, 09:15 PM

Local Walmart has had a consistent stock of CCI cb short and some Remington short for the last year and a half.
Personally, i have never seen a .22 long.

FrankenMauser · September 7, 2014, 11:33 PM

CCI makes .22 CB Short fairly often. Occasionally, they also produce .22 BB Cap or .22 CB "Subsonic". (Most of the .22 Short loads are subsonic, anyway.

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There are others available, as well, but they're primarily 'match grade' imports or only produced every 3-5 years.

I haven't really paid attention to .22 Long status. It shows up here and there, but isn't always easy to find.

The only thing I can think of that's fairly close and readily available would be Aguila .22 Super Colibri. It's a .22 Long case with a 20 gr conical bullet and a minimal powder charge, resulting in a 550-600 fps muzzle velocity.
It is the 'big brother' of .22 Colibri - a .22 Long case with a 20 gr conical bullet and NO powder charge (just a hot priming compound) - which has a 330-375 fps muzzle velocity, and is not suitable for most rifles (handguns and/or short barrels only).

I shoot the CCI .22 CB Shorts quite often in some of my rimfire rifles, and for the occasional single-load, slow-fire session with my handguns.
The .22 Colibri load is something I have only tried for myself recently. It's a lot of fun, but definitely not a friend of rifle barrels. (I had to try it.

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Water-Man · September 8, 2014, 12:22 AM

CCI Long HV 29gr. CP solid 1215 fps

CCI Short 29gr. CP solid 1080 fps

**Aguila Blanca** · September 8, 2014, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Water-Man

CCI Long HV 29gr. CP solid 1215 fps

CCI Short 29gr. CP solid 1080 fps

The Long is even older than I thought -- almost as old as the .22 Short, and dating back well into the black powder era. According to Wikipedia, the .22 Long dates to 1871 and is the second-oldest surviving rimfire cartridge (only the .22 Short is older). It was loaded with a 29-grain round-nose bullet and produced 1,038 feet-per-second. Today's CCI .22 Short pushed that same 29-grain bullet faster, so it's easy to see why the .22 Long has lost popularity.

The .22 Long Rifle is a relative newcomer, dating to 1887 (that's a lot older than I would have thought). The .22 LR increased the bullet weight to 40 grains. Initially the LR used the same powder charge as the Long, so muzzle velocity was actually reduced. Today, most LR offerings start out at about 1,200 fps and go up from there.

Jim Watson · September 8, 2014, 08:47 AM

The Long Rifle was the Long case with the Extra Long's 40 grain bullet.
First chambered by Stevens.
The very earliest Long Rifle ammo was not crimped, since the only thing available to shoot it in was single shot rifles and pistols. The first crimped Long Rifle, made for revolvers, was for a while known as .22 Smith & Wesson Long.

Gary L. Griffiths · September 8, 2014, 01:53 PM

Been trying to find some .22 Long ammo to feed my grandpa's old Winchester Model 90. It kept him and my grandma, mom and aunt well-fed with squirrels and rabbits during the Depression. Would love to take a couple of squirrels with it again, just because.....

cjwils · September 8, 2014, 07:26 PM

Gary: I could be wrong, but I think if your old Model 90 wil chamber longs, it will also chamber long rifles. You might be able to find some subsonic long rifles if you are concerned about the pressure levels.

Unlicensed Dremel · September 8, 2014, 10:44 PM

Wow, learned something new - so what's the "correct" twist rate for .22 short, .243WinXB?

Jim Watson · September 8, 2014, 11:10 PM

The Winchester Model 1890 pump, a Browning design, was offered in .22 Short or .22 Long or .22 Long Rifle or .22 WRF; not interchangeably.
The similar looking 1906 was .22 S, L, LR.

Rifling twist in .22 Shorts and Longs has been in the 20 to 24" range.
Long Rifle is usually 16" although you can get fine tune barrels from Lilja at 15, 16, and 17". Or 9" if you want to shoot all Aquila SSS. Or anything at all from Bartlein, who says a 16.25 to 16" light gain twist is popular.

Water-Man · September 9, 2014, 12:00 AM

In rifles that shoot short, long and long rifle, 1:16 twist is used.

September 5, 2014, 05:52 PM	#1
spearman Member Join Date: March 17, 2010 Posts: 47	.22short/long Is .22 short and.22 long still made or available?

September 5, 2014, 07:02 PM	#3
bedbugbilly Senior Member Join Date: November 19, 2009 Posts: 3,287	Both are still being made. I bought some of both - CCI - a couple of years ago. Couldn't get LR but they had a couple of boxes of each. The clerk (who was young) asked my why the heck I'd want 'em as I couldn't shoot them out of a semi-auto. I told him I had a newly designed handgun . . . it's called a revolver. __________________ If a pair of '51 Navies were good enough for Billy Hickok, then a single Navy on my right hip is good enough for me . . . besides . . . I'm probably only half as good as he was anyways. Hiram's Rangers Badge #63

September 5, 2014, 07:50 PM	#4
243winxb Senior Member Join Date: July 26, 2011 Location: USA Posts: 1,730	22 short The barret twist rate needs to be correct for the 22 short or accuracy will be poor. I found this out with High Standard Pistols when comparing both standard LR & short barrels.

September 5, 2014, 07:56 PM	#5
Pahoo Senior Member Join Date: February 16, 2006 Location: IOWA Posts: 8,783	Found .22-Shorts Last week I was able to find two boxes of .22-Shorts by Remington. Have not seen Longs for many years now and not even sure if stores even want to stock them. .... Be Safe !!! __________________ 'Fundamental truths' are easy to recognize because they are verified daily through simple observation and thus, require no testing.

September 6, 2014, 01:12 PM	#6
Cheapshooter Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 8,306	I was able to find CCI High Velocity 22 Short at bangitammo.com a month or so ago when I bought an NAA Mini Revolver in 22 Short. Ordered 500 rounds when I could. Don't think they have it anymore, but. I'll get another 500 when I can. I have seen it at other places on line, but at twenty five bucks per 100, no thanks! __________________ Cheapshooter's rules of gun ownership #1: NEVER SELL OR TRADE ANYTHING!

September 5, 2014, 06:05 PM	#2
saleen322 Senior Member Join Date: March 8, 2010 Posts: 778	Shorts are and a LR case with a short bullet is generally referred to as a Long. I think at least the CCI CB, a long, is still being made and likely others.

September 6, 2014, 02:53 PM	#7
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 18,468	The .22 Long preceded the .22 Long Rifle by many years, but the Long Rifle has taken over the market. There's little demand for a round that uses the same case, shoots a lighter bullet and travels slower. With the vast bulk of manufacturing now focused on .22 LR, the older .22 Long now costs more in the stores than .22 LR. Same with Short -- it's available, but it's not a bargain.

September 7, 2014, 08:55 PM	#8
baddarryl Senior Member Join Date: March 29, 2011 Location: Cape Fear! Posts: 1,683	CCI makes long. i just bought some last summer.

September 7, 2014, 09:15 PM	#9
North East Redneck Senior Member Join Date: June 6, 2012 Location: Berkshire Hills Posts: 741	Local Walmart has had a consistent stock of CCI cb short and some Remington short for the last year and a half. Personally, i have never seen a .22 long. __________________ NRA Patron Member SAF Life Member GOAL Member

September 7, 2014, 11:33 PM	#10
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,424	CCI makes .22 CB Short fairly often. Occasionally, they also produce .22 BB Cap or .22 CB "Subsonic". (Most of the .22 Short loads are subsonic, anyway. ) There are others available, as well, but they're primarily 'match grade' imports or only produced every 3-5 years. I haven't really paid attention to .22 Long status. It shows up here and there, but isn't always easy to find. The only thing I can think of that's fairly close and readily available would be Aguila .22 Super Colibri. It's a .22 Long case with a 20 gr conical bullet and a minimal powder charge, resulting in a 550-600 fps muzzle velocity. It is the 'big brother' of .22 Colibri - a .22 Long case with a 20 gr conical bullet and NO powder charge (just a hot priming compound) - which has a 330-375 fps muzzle velocity, and is not suitable for most rifles (handguns and/or short barrels only). I shoot the CCI .22 CB Shorts quite often in some of my rimfire rifles, and for the occasional single-load, slow-fire session with my handguns. The .22 Colibri load is something I have only tried for myself recently. It's a lot of fun, but definitely not a friend of rifle barrels. (I had to try it. ) __________________ Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.

September 8, 2014, 12:22 AM	#11
Water-Man Senior Member Join Date: March 23, 2008 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 2,126	CCI Long HV 29gr. CP solid 1215 fps CCI Short 29gr. CP solid 1080 fps

September 8, 2014, 08:47 AM	#13
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,542	The Long Rifle was the Long case with the Extra Long's 40 grain bullet. First chambered by Stevens. The very earliest Long Rifle ammo was not crimped, since the only thing available to shoot it in was single shot rifles and pistols. The first crimped Long Rifle, made for revolvers, was for a while known as .22 Smith & Wesson Long.

September 8, 2014, 01:53 PM	#14
Gary L. Griffiths Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2000 Location: AZ, WA Posts: 1,466	Been trying to find some .22 Long ammo to feed my grandpa's old Winchester Model 90. It kept him and my grandma, mom and aunt well-fed with squirrels and rabbits during the Depression. Would love to take a couple of squirrels with it again, just because..... __________________ Violence is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and valorous feeling which believes that nothing is worth violence is much worse. Those who have nothing for which they are willing to fight; nothing they care about more than their own craven apathy; are miserable creatures who have no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the valor of those better than themselves. Gary L. Griffiths (Paraphrasing John Stuart Mill)

September 8, 2014, 07:26 PM	#15
cjwils Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 2010 Location: Washington state Posts: 401	Gary: I could be wrong, but I think if your old Model 90 wil chamber longs, it will also chamber long rifles. You might be able to find some subsonic long rifles if you are concerned about the pressure levels. Last edited by cjwils; September 8, 2014 at 07:27 PM. Reason: left words out

September 8, 2014, 10:44 PM	#16
Unlicensed Dremel Junior member Join Date: February 13, 2014 Location: Flathead Valley, MT Posts: 2,187	Wow, learned something new - so what's the "correct" twist rate for .22 short, .243WinXB?

September 8, 2014, 11:10 PM	#17
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,542	The Winchester Model 1890 pump, a Browning design, was offered in .22 Short or .22 Long or .22 Long Rifle or .22 WRF; not interchangeably. The similar looking 1906 was .22 S, L, LR. Rifling twist in .22 Shorts and Longs has been in the 20 to 24" range. Long Rifle is usually 16" although you can get fine tune barrels from Lilja at 15, 16, and 17". Or 9" if you want to shoot all Aquila SSS. Or anything at all from Bartlein, who says a 16.25 to 16" light gain twist is popular.

September 9, 2014, 12:00 AM	#18
Water-Man Senior Member Join Date: March 23, 2008 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 2,126	In rifles that shoot short, long and long rifle, 1:16 twist is used.