need cost effective accuracy for S.A. 1911

kidcoltoutlaw · October 25, 2001, 04:04 PM

would like to have something i can do if possible because the last gun i sent to the smith is still there and in march it will be a year.will the Briley Spherical bushing work its a springfield 1911a1 mil spec.the gun shoots close to 4 inch groups and sometimes the group looks like a busted scope you know 3 here and 2 there.i have been thinking of trading it off for a ruger p97 i just hate the way the ruger's look got rid of my p95 shot great but was ugly,thanks,keith

E. BeauBeaux · October 25, 2001, 04:19 PM

Your problem is the very reason I started to work on my own weapons. Something that takes me a few hours [because I'm not sure and have to double check stuff] takes a gunsmith 30 minutes, but they will keep the weapon 6 week's.

I would suggest looking into a group gripper kit from Wilson Combat. If not sure about how to fit it their video series is worth the money. Wouldn't take an hour to do for a first timer after watching the video.

WESHOOT2 · October 25, 2001, 05:40 PM

Kart Easy-Fit barrel kit. Check Brownells.

kidcoltoutlaw · October 25, 2001, 06:06 PM

i looked at the kit is it an easy job to do

**4V50 Gary** · October 25, 2001, 09:15 PM

Key to accuracy is a tight bushing and good fitting link. Even the best barrels won't give you accuracy if there's slop with the link and the bushing.

Using the same sorry GI barrel (which was tapered!), I installed a bushing onto my brother's gun and tightened the group from chest size at 25 yards to head size. I told him with that sorry barrel (taper), it could not be fitted any tighter.

WESHOOT2 · October 26, 2001, 05:17 AM

Takes a couple hours; easy.

(Repeat after me: "I can take more off but I can't put it back.....")

George Stringer · October 26, 2001, 06:40 AM

kidcoltoutlaw, I've never tried the Hart bbl kit but most 1911s don't need new barrels. As has been stated already a good fitting bushing and the Wilson group gripper will probably give you all the accuracy you want. I'd start with the bushing alone first and see what that does. Measure the diameter of your barrel and order the bushing that's ID is closest to it. George

DeBee · October 27, 2001, 12:11 AM

Group Gripper and a Match Barrel with bushing...

rinoray · October 28, 2001, 09:06 AM

I have not used the Group Gripper, but, have heard good things about it.
Agree with WESHOOT2 - Installed Kart barrel (from Brownells) and bushing and had excellent results. See photo below.

FYI - The pistol shown was in a confirmed/not loaded condition and completly safe.

October 25, 2001, 04:04 PM	#1
kidcoltoutlaw Senior Member Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: bluefield Posts: 735	need cost effective accuracy for S.A. 1911 would like to have something i can do if possible because the last gun i sent to the smith is still there and in march it will be a year.will the Briley Spherical bushing work its a springfield 1911a1 mil spec.the gun shoots close to 4 inch groups and sometimes the group looks like a busted scope you know 3 here and 2 there.i have been thinking of trading it off for a ruger p97 i just hate the way the ruger's look got rid of my p95 shot great but was ugly,thanks,keith __________________ It's not just a gun it's the symbol of freedom

October 25, 2001, 04:19 PM	#2
E. BeauBeaux Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2000 Location: MS, CSA Posts: 377	Your problem is the very reason I started to work on my own weapons. Something that takes me a few hours [because I'm not sure and have to double check stuff] takes a gunsmith 30 minutes, but they will keep the weapon 6 week's. I would suggest looking into a group gripper kit from Wilson Combat. If not sure about how to fit it their video series is worth the money. Wouldn't take an hour to do for a first timer after watching the video. __________________ "While you are resting, someone somewhere is training and when you meet him, you will lose." --Unknown

October 25, 2001, 05:40 PM	#3
WESHOOT2 Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 1999 Location: home on the range; Vermont (Caspian country) Posts: 14,324	Kart Easy-Fit barrel kit. Check Brownells. __________________ . "all my ammo is mostly retired factory ammo"

October 25, 2001, 06:06 PM	#4
kidcoltoutlaw Senior Member Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: bluefield Posts: 735	WESHOOT2 i looked at the kit is it an easy job to do __________________ It's not just a gun it's the symbol of freedom

October 25, 2001, 09:15 PM	#5
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,832	Key to accuracy is a tight bushing and good fitting link. Even the best barrels won't give you accuracy if there's slop with the link and the bushing. Using the same sorry GI barrel (which was tapered!), I installed a bushing onto my brother's gun and tightened the group from chest size at 25 yards to head size. I told him with that sorry barrel (taper), it could not be fitted any tighter. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

October 26, 2001, 05:17 AM	#6
WESHOOT2 Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 1999 Location: home on the range; Vermont (Caspian country) Posts: 14,324	KART IS EASY Takes a couple hours; easy. (Repeat after me: "I can take more off but I can't put it back.....") __________________ . "all my ammo is mostly retired factory ammo"

October 26, 2001, 06:40 AM	#7
George Stringer Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 12, 1998 Location: Earlington KY Posts: 2,299	kidcoltoutlaw, I've never tried the Hart bbl kit but most 1911s don't need new barrels. As has been stated already a good fitting bushing and the Wilson group gripper will probably give you all the accuracy you want. I'd start with the bushing alone first and see what that does. Measure the diameter of your barrel and order the bushing that's ID is closest to it. George

October 27, 2001, 12:11 AM	#8
DeBee Senior Member Join Date: October 5, 1999 Posts: 408	Group Gripper and a Match Barrel with bushing...