para ordnance p14-45 limited price check

Lsc8 · March 4, 2015, 08:33 PM

Found a para p14-45 limited at the LGs That I like. my gun blue book doesn't have a listing(only shows basic p series) and it's probably as much custom as para so wanted to see what you think is a fair price.

Owner is a 3 gun nation comp shooter and has worked the gun over.

Details

Limited model
tool steel internals, hammer, mag release , and dlask trigger
S&a mag guide/mainspring
fiber optic front sight
Heavy front guide rod.

Tuned and ready to run. I had the pleasure of running a few mags through and it looks/feels/and shoot amazing.

This also a Canadian gun.

I thought the price was high but not having a comparison I wanted to check. I don't want to insult him either.

**Aguila Blanca** · March 5, 2015, 01:10 AM

Several years ago I paid $600 for a used, Canadian-built P13.45 that had NOT been tuned, and was not a Limited. I thought I got a good deal. As a wild guess, I'd say you are looking at $800 to $900. Maybe $1,000.

I should add that I don't like to buy guns (or Jeeps) that someone else has "worked over." What someone else has done is rarely what I would choose to do, and the workmanship is never up to my standards.

1stmar · March 5, 2015, 06:16 AM

Really depends on the work and who did it. Keep in mind a p14 pro custom new can be had for $900 or so. I wouldn't more than $600 for it but it really depends on what tuned means and who tuned it.

Lsc8 · March 5, 2015, 07:05 AM

The reliability/tune up is just a tear down and inspection of tolerances with replacement of any worn or out of spec part. And new springs.

Work was done by a 1911 smith. They build a lot of the competition guns around here. It's kind of what they are known for.

My gun book shows 550 for a p series non limited but it also shows a 225 increase from base pxt to limited.

Shows a pxt limited at $800.

I would upgrade the trigger and internals ($200)

I also normally add the fo sight. ($40)

I wouldn't have added the magwell but would have replaced the plastic mainspring housing so it's a bit of a wash. ($75 )

All in all most things I would do are finished. Except a barrel bushing. The mods I wouldn't have done I didn't list.

By my reasoning IF the p14-45 is worth the same as a pxt by blue book then this should ballpark around 900-1100 including the mods.

I know a lot of times the blue book isn't a good indication of real world prices.

Final thought is I really like the gun, mods are all something I would do anyway, and I trust the work That was done. Gun is very nice.

Let me know if I'm thinking rationally or just trying to justify an overpriced gun!!

Metalboy · March 5, 2015, 07:32 AM

I'm not a gunsmith, just a precision machinist/gagemaker....
But...
I just bought a very basic Para 1911 .45, was tuning it Yesterday. Mine was made in '04, in the good ol' USA.
I had Colts, Gold Cup too, so I know what I'm comparing it to.
Anyhow, I'm surprised how well it's made. Like how nicely the sear, and hammer notches are ground. I just replaced the grip, adding arched mainspring housing, and new rear sight. Just made this picture.
Than yours is the older '70's model, mine is '80's. As far as I can tell, this is new, or very little used.

Lsc8 · March 5, 2015, 07:37 AM

I think the limited gets you front cocking serations, flgr, target sights, and an ambi safety.

Metalboy · March 5, 2015, 07:51 AM

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I think the limited gets you front cocking serations, flgr, target sights, and an ambi safety.

Yes. And most likely better/smoother fitting trigger too, plus tuned flat spring.
Maybe the barrel bushing is different too.

Editing......The Gold Cup used to have collet bushing.

Metalboy · March 5, 2015, 08:14 AM

My old Gold Cup feed ramp wasn't as nicely polished as this Para, and didn't feed hollow point neather. I used a Moore jig grinder to fix it, and widen feed ramp. But than stupid me I sold it to one of my begging friend, who's wife was shooting competition......

**Aguila Blanca** · March 5, 2015, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Lsc8

Let me know if I'm thinking rationally or just trying to justify an overpriced gun!!

How can we advise you if you keep the asking price a secret?

IMHO, the Limited doesn't get you much over the standard series, with the exception of front cocking serrations. They don't shoot any better. Is this pistol a PXT (Power eXTractor) or does it use a conventional 1911 extractor? Para touted the Power Extractor as the greatest thing since sliced bread when they introduced it around 2003 or 2004, but it was gone within ten years. They now use a special, heavy-duty extractor made for them by EGW in Pennsylvania. They had a LOT of problems with the PXT. I only own one Para that has it, and I wish it didn't. I haven't had any problems with it, but it's a pistol I don't shoot a lot.

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Originally Posted by Lsc8

By my reasoning IF the p14-45 is worth the same as a pxt by blue book then this should ballpark around 900-1100 including the mods.

But you just wrote that blue book for a Limited is $225 higher than a base model. Which is it?

And you can't not list the mods that you wouldn't have done. You're asking what the pistol is worth -- that's as it stands, not as you might have done it. The mods are there, and they (theoretically) have value. That's what determines the market price of the gun. THEN you look at whether or not you like the mods, and decide if you want to pay the market price.

Blued (painted) or stainless? If it's a Limited, I assume it's stainless.

Indi · March 5, 2015, 08:46 AM

I sold a p12 45 limited several years ago for $700.00 if it helps.

Lsc8 · March 5, 2015, 09:08 AM

Sorry thought price was listed above. $1200

Limited version in blued finish With 4 mags

It is not a pxt extractor. I mentioned the base model and pxt as a blue book reference only.

Dlask trigger
Tool steel internals
ed brown hammer
s&a magwell
tuned spare extractor
steel mag release

**Aguila Blanca** · March 5, 2015, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Lsc8

Sorry thought price was listed above. $1200

IMHO it's not worth a penny more than $1,000 -- and I wouldn't pay that much for it.

It all depends on how badly you want the gun.

Metalboy · March 5, 2015, 04:32 PM

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Sorry thought price was listed above. $1200

I paid $ 500.00 for mine, including everything, even the background check.

Lsc8 · March 5, 2015, 05:41 PM

If the limited is worth $200 more than a base model I'd feel ok with $1000, considering similar mods to my Kimber were a bit over $500. I doubt he'd go 900 but we shall see. It's a very nice gun and the mods were something I'd do anyway most likely by the same shop...... but those sti edges look really nice as well.

Thanks for the help guys.

Metalboy · March 5, 2015, 06:13 PM

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It's a very nice gun and the mods were something I'd do anyway most likely by the same shop

Our brain makes mistakes, our heart does NOT, so listen to your heart, and the hell with money. Buy it.

Doc Intrepid · March 5, 2015, 06:28 PM

I'll just offer this:

Over the past 30 years I have often regretted NOT buying a specific (used) gun when it suddenly became available.

I have only once regretted buying one, and that one was a new gun that simply failed to run for me no matter what I did to it.

That said, I like Paras and have owned three of them. So I'm biased. If another Para comes my way, and I like it - i.e. it runs the way you say this one runs, I would not hesitate to pick it up also.

Just sayin'

1stmar · March 5, 2015, 08:15 PM

Why would you pay equal to or more than what you can get a new para for?

March 4, 2015, 08:33 PM	#1
Lsc8 Member Join Date: January 4, 2015 Location: Illinois Posts: 56	para ordnance p14-45 limited price check Found a para p14-45 limited at the LGs That I like. my gun blue book doesn't have a listing(only shows basic p series) and it's probably as much custom as para so wanted to see what you think is a fair price. Owner is a 3 gun nation comp shooter and has worked the gun over. Details Limited model tool steel internals, hammer, mag release , and dlask trigger S&a mag guide/mainspring fiber optic front sight Heavy front guide rod. Tuned and ready to run. I had the pleasure of running a few mags through and it looks/feels/and shoot amazing. This also a Canadian gun. I thought the price was high but not having a comparison I wanted to check. I don't want to insult him either.

March 5, 2015, 07:32 AM	#5
Metalboy Senior Member Join Date: November 30, 2014 Location: SE. Wisconsin. Posts: 327	I'm not a gunsmith, just a precision machinist/gagemaker.... But... I just bought a very basic Para 1911 .45, was tuning it Yesterday. Mine was made in '04, in the good ol' USA. I had Colts, Gold Cup too, so I know what I'm comparing it to. Anyhow, I'm surprised how well it's made. Like how nicely the sear, and hammer notches are ground. I just replaced the grip, adding arched mainspring housing, and new rear sight. Just made this picture. Than yours is the older '70's model, mine is '80's. As far as I can tell, this is new, or very little used. __________________ Hungarian by birth, American by choice. I don't collect guns.They just accumulate themselves.

March 5, 2015, 08:14 AM	#8
Metalboy Senior Member Join Date: November 30, 2014 Location: SE. Wisconsin. Posts: 327	My old Gold Cup feed ramp wasn't as nicely polished as this Para, and didn't feed hollow point neather. I used a Moore jig grinder to fix it, and widen feed ramp. But than stupid me I sold it to one of my begging friend, who's wife was shooting competition...... __________________ Hungarian by birth, American by choice. I don't collect guns.They just accumulate themselves.

March 5, 2015, 08:46 AM	#10
Indi Senior Member Join Date: October 23, 2011 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 231	I sold a p12 45 limited several years ago for $700.00 if it helps. __________________ I dont understand why people get addicted to drugs, when they can get addicted to guns instead!!

March 5, 2015, 06:28 PM	#16
Doc Intrepid Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2009 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,037	I'll just offer this: Over the past 30 years I have often regretted NOT buying a specific (used) gun when it suddenly became available. I have only once regretted buying one, and that one was a new gun that simply failed to run for me no matter what I did to it. That said, I like Paras and have owned three of them. So I'm biased. If another Para comes my way, and I like it - i.e. it runs the way you say this one runs, I would not hesitate to pick it up also. Just sayin' __________________ *Treat everyone you meet with dignity and respect....but have a plan to kill them just in case.*

March 5, 2015, 01:10 AM	#2
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 18,468	Several years ago I paid $600 for a used, Canadian-built P13.45 that had NOT been tuned, and was not a Limited. I thought I got a good deal. As a wild guess, I'd say you are looking at $800 to $900. Maybe $1,000. I should add that I don't like to buy guns (or Jeeps) that someone else has "worked over." What someone else has done is rarely what I would choose to do, and the workmanship is never up to my standards.

March 5, 2015, 06:16 AM	#3
1stmar Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2012 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,378	Really depends on the work and who did it. Keep in mind a p14 pro custom new can be had for $900 or so. I wouldn't more than $600 for it but it really depends on what tuned means and who tuned it.

March 5, 2015, 07:05 AM	#4
Lsc8 Member Join Date: January 4, 2015 Location: Illinois Posts: 56	The reliability/tune up is just a tear down and inspection of tolerances with replacement of any worn or out of spec part. And new springs. Work was done by a 1911 smith. They build a lot of the competition guns around here. It's kind of what they are known for. My gun book shows 550 for a p series non limited but it also shows a 225 increase from base pxt to limited. Shows a pxt limited at $800. I would upgrade the trigger and internals ($200) I also normally add the fo sight. ($40) I wouldn't have added the magwell but would have replaced the plastic mainspring housing so it's a bit of a wash. ($75 ) All in all most things I would do are finished. Except a barrel bushing. The mods I wouldn't have done I didn't list. By my reasoning IF the p14-45 is worth the same as a pxt by blue book then this should ballpark around 900-1100 including the mods. I know a lot of times the blue book isn't a good indication of real world prices. Final thought is I really like the gun, mods are all something I would do anyway, and I trust the work That was done. Gun is very nice. Let me know if I'm thinking rationally or just trying to justify an overpriced gun!!

March 5, 2015, 07:37 AM	#6
Lsc8 Member Join Date: January 4, 2015 Location: Illinois Posts: 56	I think the limited gets you front cocking serations, flgr, target sights, and an ambi safety.

March 5, 2015, 09:08 AM	#11
Lsc8 Member Join Date: January 4, 2015 Location: Illinois Posts: 56	Sorry thought price was listed above. $1200 Limited version in blued finish With 4 mags It is not a pxt extractor. I mentioned the base model and pxt as a blue book reference only. Dlask trigger Tool steel internals ed brown hammer s&a magwell tuned spare extractor steel mag release

March 5, 2015, 05:41 PM	#14
Lsc8 Member Join Date: January 4, 2015 Location: Illinois Posts: 56	If the limited is worth $200 more than a base model I'd feel ok with $1000, considering similar mods to my Kimber were a bit over $500. I doubt he'd go 900 but we shall see. It's a very nice gun and the mods were something I'd do anyway most likely by the same shop...... but those sti edges look really nice as well. Thanks for the help guys.

March 5, 2015, 08:15 PM	#17
1stmar Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2012 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,378	Why would you pay equal to or more than what you can get a new para for?