Bringing an obsolete caliber back to commercial production - Page 2

Wyosmith · February 28, 2013, 11:23 AM

44-77 Sharps

(just because I like it. It's cool)

pbrktrt · February 28, 2013, 07:14 PM

How about the Weatherby 220 Rocket?

WIN1886 · February 28, 2013, 07:29 PM

More readily available : .405 Winchester , 38-55 Winchester , 25-35 Winchester , and .348 Winchester !

steveNChunter · February 28, 2013, 07:31 PM

Does anyone make a new .264 Win mag?

taylorce1 · February 28, 2013, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steveNChunter

Does anyone make a new .264 Win mag?

Winchester makes it in their M70 Sporter, M70 EW, and M70 Ultimate Shadow just to name a few.

wooly booger · February 28, 2013, 09:51 PM

Ultimate Shadow...

about a 6 month wait if you order one. I have a buddy that just got his in time for antelope season last fall. Great cartridge but dang it is LOUD

candr44 · February 28, 2013, 11:57 PM

I would like to see Czech 7.62x45 made again. I have about 1000 rounds of surplus ammo but after that there's no more to be bought. At that point I will have a useless VZ52 rifle.

Another one I would like to see is not so much the cartridge as the guns made for it. I would like to see some modern pistols made for the 7.62x25 cartridge. When surplus ammo is available its probably the cheapest bottle neck pistol cartridge there is and it has plenty of power.

Geo_Erudite · March 1, 2013, 12:40 AM

Quote:

Winchester makes it in their M70 Sporter, M70 EW, and M70 Ultimate Shadow just to name a few.

The only problem with all the current 264 Winchester Magnum production rifles is that their twist rate is 1:9, I believe the 264 caliber is best served with a 1:8 twist.

shootniron · March 1, 2013, 01:31 AM

Quote:

"brought back by gunmakers"

Blah blah blah, details details!

Who cares who brings them back, as long as they are back?

The point was bringing the GUNS back into production...not just he ammo. Ammo for the 5mm mag has been available for a couple of years now...but no new guns.

FrankenMauser · March 1, 2013, 02:03 AM

3mm Kolibri

...because 2.7mm Kolibri is too common.

**Mike Irwin** · March 1, 2013, 08:38 AM

"Ammo for the 5mm mag has been available for a couple of years now...but no new guns."

Yes, and if anything, that is a FAR more useful and reasonable scenario.

Putting the ammo back into production, but no new guns, at least ensures a supply of ammo for the guns that are in circulation, while new guns without a new supply of ammo... what the hell is the point in that?

Winchester, Remington, whomever, could make the most wonderful and useful gun ever seen by man, but if it's not chambered in a cartridge that's already at least marginally available, then what good is it other than for use as a club or a prybar?

Come and take it. · March 1, 2013, 03:40 PM

The 5mm has weight and slightly more speed than the same bullet weight in 22 magnum. Where it really shines is in the ballistic coefficient.

It is quite sad that such a fine cartridge is laid to gather dust.

Perhaps a 17 with a 25 grain bullet might perform a lot better than a 17 grain bullet or even a 20 grain bullet. It would even have a nice ballistic coefficient in this new super magnum.

However to me it was a waste in the expense of research and development.

The 5mm would have garnered a greater following than even the 17hmr if it had been reintroduced with even half the hype the 17hmr was introduced with.

Not to mention a lot of animals would have been spared an agonizing death or even worse , an agonizing survival from being shot by a 17 that fragged to early without penetrating to the organs.

Huffmanite · March 1, 2013, 04:39 PM

another vote for the 250 Savage

steveNChunter · March 1, 2013, 05:46 PM

Well since I started the thread I guess Ill give my top three:

1. 6mm Remington

2. .35 Remington

3. .250 Savage

but there are many others that deserve a second chance

SPEMack618 · March 1, 2013, 08:15 PM

.35 Remington and .351 WSL, I can't justify buying either a Model 8 or Winchester 1907 without commercially available ammo.

And if not loaded ammo, brass would be sufficient.

bigwrench · March 2, 2013, 01:33 PM

Another vote for the .250 savage, and the rifle that first bore it. Bring back the 99's while we're at it. In stainles!

SPEMack618 · March 2, 2013, 01:48 PM

A Savage Model 99 in .250-3000 was the preferred weapon of Colonel Charlie Askins when he was a forest ranger.

That right there is enough for me to want one.

**Mike Irwin** · March 2, 2013, 02:14 PM

.35 Remington brass is available.

And how the heck could I have left my all time favorite off my list...

The .300 Savage.

chiefr · March 2, 2013, 05:48 PM

Always been a 300 Savage fan. Ammo & brass are still around.

I would like to see the 50-70 Springfield, both rifles and ammo resurrected.
The 450gr lead bullet is a superior hunting round for all American big game.

MCCALL911 · March 2, 2013, 06:29 PM

Another vote for the .401 Herter Powermag. With the wide variety of .40 caliber bullets available, it would be versatile in a SA or even a DA revolver. Get busy, y'all!

2ndtimer · March 2, 2013, 07:19 PM

I would like to see more manufacturers offer affordable rifles in .260 Remington and 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser. Savage is almost alone in offering the .260 Remington, at least in an affordable sufficiently long barreled rifle. I don't think any US manufacturers chamber the swede.

budd · March 2, 2013, 07:41 PM

I always thought a 1892 Lever-action clone in .256 Win Mag would be just about perfect conbination for small game size hunting. The .256 is a better round than the
.25/20 cartridge and the 25/20 was considered a great small game round. A 256 Win Mag in a 1892 Clone seems a great idea.

J. Budd

SPEMack618 · March 2, 2013, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Irwin

.35 Remington brass is available.

D'OH! Meant to say .32 Remington, had a window open looking at .35 Remington brass.

The local pawn shop has a Model 8 in .32 Remington.

I mean everybody else is buying high capacity, semi-atuomatic rifles.

**Mike Irwin** · March 2, 2013, 08:50 PM

I think you can still get .30 Remington, and that is an easy step to the .32.

Rainbow Demon · March 2, 2013, 09:11 PM

I haven't fired more than a dozen rounds through my savage 23B simply because I had a very difficult time finding one over priced 50 round box shortly after getting the rifle. Had to make a near 150 mile round trip to get that one box.
There may be more .25-20 ammo out there now, but I haven't been looking lately.

Great rifle, and mines in about 90+% condition. Bluing is excellent, a previous owner had painted the metal parts, when the last scraps of paint were removed the bluing on the upper metal was still in perfect condition. Trigger guard amd magazine showed a sprinking of surface rust but cleaned up nicely.

February 28, 2013, 07:31 PM	#29
steveNChunter Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2012 Location: Southern Appalachian Mtns Posts: 1,520	Does anyone make a new .264 Win mag? __________________ DEO VINDICE

March 1, 2013, 02:03 AM	#35
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,424	3mm Kolibri ...because 2.7mm Kolibri is too common. __________________ Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.

March 1, 2013, 08:38 AM	#36
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,388	"Ammo for the 5mm mag has been available for a couple of years now...but no new guns." Yes, and if anything, that is a FAR more useful and reasonable scenario. Putting the ammo back into production, but no new guns, at least ensures a supply of ammo for the guns that are in circulation, while new guns without a new supply of ammo... what the hell is the point in that? Winchester, Remington, whomever, could make the most wonderful and useful gun ever seen by man, but if it's not chambered in a cartridge that's already at least marginally available, then what good is it other than for use as a club or a prybar? __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

March 1, 2013, 05:46 PM	#39
steveNChunter Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2012 Location: Southern Appalachian Mtns Posts: 1,520	Well since I started the thread I guess Ill give my top three: 1. 6mm Remington 2. .35 Remington 3. .250 Savage but there are many others that deserve a second chance __________________ DEO VINDICE

March 1, 2013, 08:15 PM	#40
SPEMack618 Senior Member Join Date: June 21, 2010 Location: Central Georgia Posts: 1,863	.35 Remington and .351 WSL, I can't justify buying either a Model 8 or Winchester 1907 without commercially available ammo. And if not loaded ammo, brass would be sufficient. __________________ NRA Life Member Read my blog! "The answer to any caliber debate is going to be .38 Super, 10mm, .357 Sig or .41 Magnum!"

February 28, 2013, 11:23 AM	#26
Wyosmith Senior Member Join Date: December 29, 2010 Location: Shoshoni Wyoming Posts: 2,713	44-77 Sharps (just because I like it. It's cool)

February 28, 2013, 07:14 PM	#27
pbrktrt Senior Member Join Date: January 9, 2008 Posts: 313	How about the Weatherby 220 Rocket?

February 28, 2013, 07:29 PM	#28
WIN1886 Senior Member Join Date: March 25, 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 604	More readily available : .405 Winchester , 38-55 Winchester , 25-35 Winchester , and .348 Winchester !

February 28, 2013, 09:51 PM	#31
wooly booger Junior member Join Date: February 22, 2013 Location: on the edge Posts: 143	Ultimate Shadow... about a 6 month wait if you order one. I have a buddy that just got his in time for antelope season last fall. Great cartridge but dang it is LOUD

February 28, 2013, 11:57 PM	#32
candr44 Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2006 Posts: 481	I would like to see Czech 7.62x45 made again. I have about 1000 rounds of surplus ammo but after that there's no more to be bought. At that point I will have a useless VZ52 rifle. Another one I would like to see is not so much the cartridge as the guns made for it. I would like to see some modern pistols made for the 7.62x25 cartridge. When surplus ammo is available its probably the cheapest bottle neck pistol cartridge there is and it has plenty of power.

March 1, 2013, 03:40 PM	#37
Come and take it. Senior Member Join Date: May 16, 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 999	The 5mm has weight and slightly more speed than the same bullet weight in 22 magnum. Where it really shines is in the ballistic coefficient. It is quite sad that such a fine cartridge is laid to gather dust. Perhaps a 17 with a 25 grain bullet might perform a lot better than a 17 grain bullet or even a 20 grain bullet. It would even have a nice ballistic coefficient in this new super magnum. However to me it was a waste in the expense of research and development. The 5mm would have garnered a greater following than even the 17hmr if it had been reintroduced with even half the hype the 17hmr was introduced with. Not to mention a lot of animals would have been spared an agonizing death or even worse , an agonizing survival from being shot by a 17 that fragged to early without penetrating to the organs.

March 1, 2013, 04:39 PM	#38
Huffmanite Senior Member Join Date: February 17, 2006 Location: Northeast of Houston, Tx Posts: 393	another vote for the 250 Savage

March 2, 2013, 01:33 PM	#41
bigwrench Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 2009 Location: foot of the uintas Posts: 148	Another vote for the .250 savage, and the rifle that first bore it. Bring back the 99's while we're at it. In stainles!

March 2, 2013, 01:48 PM	#42
SPEMack618 Senior Member Join Date: June 21, 2010 Location: Central Georgia Posts: 1,863	A Savage Model 99 in .250-3000 was the preferred weapon of Colonel Charlie Askins when he was a forest ranger. That right there is enough for me to want one. __________________ NRA Life Member Read my blog! "The answer to any caliber debate is going to be .38 Super, 10mm, .357 Sig or .41 Magnum!"

March 2, 2013, 02:14 PM	#43
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,388	.35 Remington brass is available. And how the heck could I have left my all time favorite off my list... The .300 Savage. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

March 2, 2013, 05:48 PM	#44
chiefr Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2010 Location: AR Posts: 1,401	Always been a 300 Savage fan. Ammo & brass are still around. I would like to see the 50-70 Springfield, both rifles and ammo resurrected. The 450gr lead bullet is a superior hunting round for all American big game.

March 2, 2013, 06:29 PM	#45
MCCALL911 Senior Member Join Date: January 26, 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 196	Another vote for the .401 Herter Powermag. With the wide variety of .40 caliber bullets available, it would be versatile in a SA or even a DA revolver. Get busy, y'all! __________________ --------------------------------------------------- Moe Howard: "Fire at will!" Larry Fine: "Which one's Will?"

March 2, 2013, 07:19 PM	#46
2ndtimer Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2004 Location: Kennewick, WA Posts: 293	I would like to see more manufacturers offer affordable rifles in .260 Remington and 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser. Savage is almost alone in offering the .260 Remington, at least in an affordable sufficiently long barreled rifle. I don't think any US manufacturers chamber the swede. __________________ NRA Endowment Member

March 2, 2013, 07:41 PM	#47
budd Member Join Date: April 14, 2011 Posts: 95	A 2nd vote for the .256 Win Mag I always thought a 1892 Lever-action clone in .256 Win Mag would be just about perfect conbination for small game size hunting. The .256 is a better round than the .25/20 cartridge and the 25/20 was considered a great small game round. A 256 Win Mag in a 1892 Clone seems a great idea. J. Budd

March 2, 2013, 08:50 PM	#49
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,388	I think you can still get .30 Remington, and that is an easy step to the .32. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

March 2, 2013, 09:11 PM	#50
Rainbow Demon Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2012 Posts: 397	I haven't fired more than a dozen rounds through my savage 23B simply because I had a very difficult time finding one over priced 50 round box shortly after getting the rifle. Had to make a near 150 mile round trip to get that one box. There may be more .25-20 ammo out there now, but I haven't been looking lately. Great rifle, and mines in about 90+% condition. Bluing is excellent, a previous owner had painted the metal parts, when the last scraps of paint were removed the bluing on the upper metal was still in perfect condition. Trigger guard amd magazine showed a sprinking of surface rust but cleaned up nicely.