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June 9, 2009, 10:51 AM | #1 |
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218 Bee / 22 Hornet... Let's get ready to "RUMBLE"... which one wins ???
I'm going to have an extra 13-14" of left over 1 in 9" twist barrel after my "change out barrel" conversion on my Taurus 22 Hornet revolver... I collect Contenders, & have a buddy that machines blocks that the barrel threads into for the Contenders, so I'm looking for what to do with the extra barrel...
I already have barrels in 22 Hornet, 5.7 X 28, 221 Fireball, 222, & 223... so I was looking for suggestions, & the Bee came up... after going through a few load reciepes, the Hornet & the Bee seem almost a dead heat... the Bee gets a few added marks for more durable brass, but the K Hornet jumps ahead of the Bee in velocity...but then there is the Mashburn Bee anyone shoot these 2 out of similar platforms, & seen much difference, in either performance, or in accuracy ??? loading difficulty or any advantages either way would be appreciated... ( I'm trying to justify K Hornet, Bee or ??? with the extra chunk of barrel )
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219 Zipper. Whit that slow a twist it will chuck 60gr bullets way faster than the others. 2nd choice would be the 218 mashburn.
219 Zipper brass is made from 25-35 or 30-30 brass i believe. In a Contender you could shoot pointy bullets. That would be a blast in a 14" barrel. Edit: For even more fun the 219 Donaldson Wasp would be a blast. Its an improved 219 zipper.
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those were also suggested, but I was under the impression ( perhaps in error ) that they were higher pressure rounds & maybe a bit too high for the Contender action
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They cambered the Zipper in the Winchester 64, a lever action based on the 1894 Winchester action. Let look in my Cartridges of the world and see what ol Fred has to say. I will edit this post when i get info.
Edit: Everything I have seen says 42,000 PSI. I think the PO Ackley improved version would be the one to go with as opposed to the Donaldson Wasp version. The PO Version should have a little lower pressure. That would be on the edge and you would have to select powders but it doable in a contender.
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hmmm... thanks... more options... I'll have to look at availability of dies, reamers etc.
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Regarding cartridge pressure in the Contender frame, Mike Belm seems to think that you should stay below about 45,000 or maybe 47,000 psi in cartridges with a case head the size of a .30-30. The Accurate Powder manual says that Thompson Center told them to stay below 42,000 psi, but when I asked T/C about that, they said they have no record of ever saying that. (Then they gave me some data that was lower yet.)
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SL1, that is the same I have heard. I think a 219 Zipper AI would be ok in a Contender. If you do your part and are a careful handloader it should be fine. I think in a 1-9 twist barreled T/C in the AI Zipper will out preform a 223 contender all day long with 55-62gr bullets.
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Sam,
Comparing the Zipper and the .223 in a Contender is a bit hard to do, because you can go to a substantially higher pressure in the smaller-headed .223 case. Belm seems to think much hotter than the .30-30 case head, but I don't really understand why, based on simple calculations of case internal base areas. But, Belm has the hands-on experience, so I am assuming that my theory must be lacking. SL1 |
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MWM, I was looking in my "Cartridges of the World" by Barns and found what I think might be another good choice;
The 226 JDJ. It is a .224 cartridge based on the 225 Winchester but is an Improved version. It was developed to work in a Contender frame. Now Mike Bellm Likes the 223 head size and thinks the 222 rem mag improved is the better cartridge. http://www.bellmtcs.com/FAQ/226JDJ.htm Another way to go would be a 223 AI. It would be about the easiest to work with.
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ouch... thats too bad... I had 100... 50 loaded & 50 empty cases of 222 mag... I just traded to my buddy... didn't even think about that as another "tender" option
I'm really leaning towards the Bee, because if the barrel length... if I could go longer then those bigger 22's would be nice...
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With the Barrel length you mentioned I think either the Bee or Mashburn Bee are the way to go also.
Good Luck with it...........Sam
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