Uberti Info?

Brian Pfleuger · February 4, 2024, 05:52 PM

Forgive my ignorance if I am wrong but I believe that's what I have here.
A friend of mine cares for an elderly woman who has this and said elderly woman wondered if it has any value.

(Barrel looks weirdly disproportionate, it's not in real life)

Oliver Sudden · February 4, 2024, 08:21 PM

It a replica of modest value, the timing is off and the finish is a bit damaged.

Bishop Creek · February 4, 2024, 08:40 PM

Very little value, made in 1972 according to the XX8 date stamp.

**Aguila Blanca** · February 4, 2024, 09:23 PM

It looks like a reproduction of the 1849 Pocket Revolver. Uberti still shows it on their web site. But the 1849 Pocket was a .31 caliber. The one your friend has is .36 caliber, which would make it a short-barreled version of an 1851 Navy. Possibly a "Storekeeper's Model"?

https://www.uberti-usa.com/black-pow...cket-revolvers

With a brass frame, it's a lower cost "reproduction" of a firearm that didn't exist, since Colt never made 1851s with brass frames. Back in the 1970s, that model probably sold for about $100 to $150. I suspect it's worth less today, in that condition. Although someone might be interested because of the short barrel.

Hawg · February 5, 2024, 12:06 AM

I don't see any indication of who made it, probably ASM. Brass frame and obvious timing issues and what looks like a bent trigger guard. Unfortunately it doesn't have much value.

Jim Watson · February 5, 2024, 09:41 AM

It is a "replica" of a nonexistent original.
Make an 1851 Navy out of brass and saw the barrel off and you have the "Sheriff's Model."

I think the "timing issue" may just be the hammer at half cock and the cylinder in mid-rotation.

A brand new one is $307 at Midway. This one is worth a good bit less even if I am right and the timing is ok.

Brian Pfleuger · February 5, 2024, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila Blanca

“1851 Navy. Possibly a "Storekeeper's Model"?

The barrel says 1851 Sheriff's Model 5” (Sorry, thought I posted those pics)

Regarding the timing, I probably just turned the cylinder. The action works fine.

Hawg · February 5, 2024, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Pfleuger

Regarding the timing, I probably just turned the cylinder. The action works fine.

Maybe but it looks like extreme early bolt drop. It also has an army grip.

Brian Pfleuger · February 6, 2024, 04:20 PM

Is it not this gun?
https://www.taylorsfirearms.com/1851...b1-200005.html

Or maybe this one?
https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/t...36-cal.122156/

**Aguila Blanca** · February 6, 2024, 07:49 PM

There's something wrong with your first two photos in the opening post -- they appear to have been proportionally distorted, making the gun (and barrel) look shorter than it apparently is. That said, the one in your photos doesn't have a stepped cylinder, so that rules out the Taylor's model in the first link in post #9. The second link is a possibility.

Brian Pfleuger · February 7, 2024, 05:39 PM

Ah yes, you’re right about the stepped cylinder.

It also has some fairly detailed (and very shallow) engraving all around the cylinder that the second one doesn’t have.

It seems to be a pretty unusual variant.

Jim Watson · February 7, 2024, 07:26 PM

Pretty common, really.
Here is a current one.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1026870958?pid=589748

**Aguila Blanca** · February 7, 2024, 08:02 PM

I took the liberty of copying the first two photos and stretching them horizontally by 25 %. I think they look a bit more proportional that way:

Hawg · February 7, 2024, 08:10 PM

That looks a lot better.

**Aguila Blanca** · February 7, 2024, 11:26 PM

Confession: reading this thread got me interested in buying an 1851 Navy clone and then getting a cartridge conversion cylinder for it. You can still buy molds to make .36 caliber heeled bullets, and you can buy the bullets pre-made. But by the time I added up the cost of the gun, the conversion cylinder, a batch of 500 bullets, and the cost of the special die needed to crimp .36 caliber heeled bullets, it was well over $1,000.

Never mind.

Hawg · February 8, 2024, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aguila Blanca

Confession: reading this thread got me interested in buying an 1851 Navy clone and then getting a cartridge conversion cylinder for it. You can still buy molds to make .36 caliber heeled bullets, and you can buy the bullets pre-made. But by the time I added up the cost of the gun, the conversion cylinder, a batch of 500 bullets, and the cost of the special die needed to crimp .36 caliber heeled bullets, it was well over $1,000.

Never mind.

Just get a Richards Mason. It takes .357 bullets.

Jim Watson · February 8, 2024, 05:54 PM

But that's a FIREARM. A percussion and a conversion aren't "registered" most places.

Hawg · February 8, 2024, 08:09 PM

True but if you're not concerned about that it is a cheaper option.

February 4, 2024, 09:23 PM	#4
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 18,483	It looks like a reproduction of the 1849 Pocket Revolver. Uberti still shows it on their web site. But the 1849 Pocket was a .31 caliber. The one your friend has is .36 caliber, which would make it a short-barreled version of an 1851 Navy. Possibly a "Storekeeper's Model"? https://www.uberti-usa.com/black-pow...cket-revolvers With a brass frame, it's a lower cost "reproduction" of a firearm that didn't exist, since Colt never made 1851s with brass frames. Back in the 1970s, that model probably sold for about $100 to $150. I suspect it's worth less today, in that condition. Although someone might be interested because of the short barrel. __________________ NRA Life Member / Certified Instructor NRA Chief RSO / CMP RSO 1911 Certified Armorer Jeepaholic

February 6, 2024, 07:49 PM	#10
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 18,483	There's something wrong with your first two photos in the opening post -- they appear to have been proportionally distorted, making the gun (and barrel) look shorter than it apparently is. That said, the one in your photos doesn't have a stepped cylinder, so that rules out the Taylor's model in the first link in post #9. The second link is a possibility. __________________ NRA Life Member / Certified Instructor NRA Chief RSO / CMP RSO 1911 Certified Armorer Jeepaholic

February 7, 2024, 05:39 PM	#11
Brian Pfleuger Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: Austin, CO Posts: 19,578	Ah yes, you’re right about the stepped cylinder. It also has some fairly detailed (and very shallow) engraving all around the cylinder that the second one doesn’t have. It seems to be a pretty unusual variant. __________________ Nobody plans to screw up their lives... ...they just don't plan not to. -Andy Stanley

February 7, 2024, 11:26 PM	#15
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 18,483	Confession: reading this thread got me interested in buying an 1851 Navy clone and then getting a cartridge conversion cylinder for it. You can still buy molds to make .36 caliber heeled bullets, and you can buy the bullets pre-made. But by the time I added up the cost of the gun, the conversion cylinder, a batch of 500 bullets, and the cost of the special die needed to crimp .36 caliber heeled bullets, it was well over $1,000. Never mind. __________________ NRA Life Member / Certified Instructor NRA Chief RSO / CMP RSO 1911 Certified Armorer Jeepaholic

February 4, 2024, 08:21 PM	#2
Oliver Sudden Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2017 Location: Colorado Posts: 272	It a replica of modest value, the timing is off and the finish is a bit damaged.

February 4, 2024, 08:40 PM	#3
Bishop Creek Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2011 Posts: 566	Very little value, made in 1972 according to the XX8 date stamp.

February 5, 2024, 12:06 AM	#5
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,191	I don't see any indication of who made it, probably ASM. Brass frame and obvious timing issues and what looks like a bent trigger guard. Unfortunately it doesn't have much value.

February 5, 2024, 09:41 AM	#6
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,548	It is a "replica" of a nonexistent original. Make an 1851 Navy out of brass and saw the barrel off and you have the "Sheriff's Model." I think the "timing issue" may just be the hammer at half cock and the cylinder in mid-rotation. A brand new one is $307 at Midway. This one is worth a good bit less even if I am right and the timing is ok.

February 6, 2024, 04:20 PM	#9
Brian Pfleuger Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: Austin, CO Posts: 19,578	Is it not this gun? https://www.taylorsfirearms.com/1851...b1-200005.html Or maybe this one? https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/t...36-cal.122156/ __________________ Nobody plans to screw up their lives... ...they just don't plan not to. -Andy Stanley

February 7, 2024, 07:26 PM	#12
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,548	Pretty common, really. Here is a current one. https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1026870958?pid=589748

February 7, 2024, 08:10 PM	#14
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,191	That looks a lot better.

February 8, 2024, 05:54 PM	#17
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,548	But that's a FIREARM. A percussion and a conversion aren't "registered" most places.

February 8, 2024, 08:09 PM	#18
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,191	True but if you're not concerned about that it is a cheaper option.