How many practice more than gun-foo?

LASur5r · April 19, 2002, 05:22 PM

How many people on this board practice straight gun handling and trust solely upon those skills to handle most self-defense situations?

How many of you practice other martial arts (unarmed?) besides your gun skills? (for those "just in case" moments?)

How many of you practice empty hand techniques in conjunction with your gun handling skills?

Just curious....I try not to get my hand or foot in front of my gun muzzle. I also have trouble chewing gum and walking without tripping myself...still practicing.

gryphon · April 19, 2002, 09:47 PM

Relying on a gun only is foolish and a good way to get yourself in trouble. Being as well rounded as possible is the best way to go if you can.

C.R.Sam · April 19, 2002, 11:21 PM

Gun, staff, knife and empty hand.

A well honed mind is the weapon, the others are tools.

Sam

Greybeard · April 19, 2002, 11:34 PM

I stay tuned up at least once a week by engaging in another form of "practice" that I hope I never need: RUNNING. As in going from a standing start to a full out sprint for at least 20 yards 3 or 4 times every Friday night during typical softball game.

Johnny Got His Gun.1 · April 20, 2002, 08:39 AM

Trained in tae kwon do.
Cross trained in boxing.
Cross trained in hapkido.
Cross trained in jui-jutsu.
Staff.
Sword.
Knife.
Weight training to supplement martial training.
Pop off a mile at a good trot with little problem.
Still working on finding anything else that will help.

ronin308 · April 20, 2002, 10:46 AM

I've trained in these arts: Aikido, Iaido, TKD, boxing, submission wrestling, Wing Chun. Now I cross train in basically all of them. I take what David Lowry calls "the squirrely approach to the martial arts". Everyday I jump rope, do crunches, shadowbox, pushups, work with light weights, and other stuff. I don't see why people wouldn't train in hand to hand at all. I know people that want to but they "never get around to it". All it takes is at least .5 hour/day.

Cowgunner · April 20, 2002, 08:21 PM

i train in Goju-Ryu, and i run about three times a week. I used to play baseball and i can chunk a baseball pretty fast

C.R.Sam · April 20, 2002, 10:29 PM

Standing in the hallway
Middle of the night.
Was I coming from or going to
The bathroom.

Time for Tai Chee
From tree, smoothly, to butterfly
The answer will appear
The body and mind improve

Sam

El Loco Lobo · April 20, 2002, 11:40 PM

along with gun handling, Go Ju Ru, knife, some driving, the best I have found is ALERTNESS stay the %@#$ out of potential areas of threat !

jar · April 21, 2002, 09:04 AM

I've studied Enola Gay school.

chris93473 · April 21, 2002, 04:03 PM

i practice Kempo Karate and i liked it.

cbjessee@NH · April 21, 2002, 04:19 PM

Extension tools (knives, sticks, guns, etc.) do just that - extend the mind and body. Until all I can do is pull a trigger, I'll intergrate all modes of mental and physical preparation.

BRET

Mike11b · April 23, 2002, 03:56 PM

tae kwon do....have taken some defensive folders (knife) courses to supplement. Try to run 3-5 miles 2x week. P-ups and s-ups daily.

aep · April 24, 2002, 08:33 PM

Wing Chun training......3 times a week for 2.5 hours each time

Justin · April 26, 2002, 10:23 AM

Ronin308:

Quote:

I know people that want to but they "never get around to it".

You wouldn't be speaking directly about any group of friends in particular, would ya?

David4516 · May 1, 2002, 02:52 AM

Tae Kwon Do.

In some situations you might need to protect yourself, but shooting someone might be going to far. Thats why its a good idea to know how to fight with or without your gun.

Mike Kilo Niner · May 1, 2002, 11:29 PM

In the past I've trained in Aikido, Wing Chun, Jeet Kune Do, Muay Thai and Kali. Then I became a graduate student, and didn't have money/time for private lessons. Lucky for me my university has good martial arts classes that are almost free. So now I'm training in Bujinkan Ninjutsu.

In reality, I'm "cross-training" as much now as I ever was -- "ninjutsu" is an over-arching label for a variety of combative schools, e.g.:

taijutsu - empty hand strikes/kicks
jutaijutsu - empty hand locks/grappling
hanbojutsu - short staves
bojutsu - long staves
etc.

My thinking as regards self-defense is a hierarchy of response levels:

Drunk friends lunging around asking to see some "chop-sockey" get a nice soft-fall and joint lock to make them think peaceful thoughts.

Agressive (unarmed) strangers get smacked until they lose interest, or I can get to a throw or lock. They might get dropped on their head.

Against one big lad or several unarmed agressors, there's much to be said for a stick (thwack! poke! run away!)

Deadly weapons provoke deadly force.

Mike Kilo Niner · May 1, 2002, 11:32 PM

Also, in a lethal force scenario you often hear about knife-wielding attackers being able to cover 21 feet in 1.5 seconds. Rather than trying to quick draw on someone who has the drop on you already, some hand to hand training will help you protect yourself and your weapon while you get it into play.

Pan · May 2, 2002, 10:39 AM

I've got about five years of Karate under my belt (so to speak). Haven't been training recently due to time constraints though

I'd highly suggest at least some basic hand to hand training for everyone. Not all situations call for lethal force (obviously) and even if they do, if you get grabbed from behind and can't get at your pistol you're in deep trouble.

Pan

Bugflipper · May 5, 2002, 07:07 AM

I like greybeard's response best. I'd rather run and live than fight and die. It's cool seing Jet Lee and Stevan Siegal snatch a pistol out of somebodies hand and take it apart. I 've been into martial arts for 30 years. In my oppinion anything less than a gun in a gun figth is crazy.

TaxPhd · May 5, 2002, 12:35 PM

Anything less than a gun in a knife fight is crazy! Unarmed against a knife is a very bad situation to be in.

ballistic · May 7, 2002, 03:42 PM

I like having more than one option available, so I get in some practice with a baton, as well as basic (*very* basic) martial arts on my heavy bag. I think the concept among LEOs is "force continum", or some such buzzword. I also think that it is only applicable in very narrow circumstances, but I'd much rather baton an attacker who is staggering drunk than just plug him. Likewise a skinny kid trying to pick my pocket will get a thumping with elbows and whatnot (followed by a bullet if he pulls a knife).

That said, I spend most of my time training with a firearm. It is amazing how much more "perishable" shooting skills are than plain 'ole a** kickin'.

April 19, 2002, 05:22 PM	#1
LASur5r Junior member Join Date: July 20, 2000 Location: pasadena,california,America Posts: 542	How many practice more than gun-foo? How many people on this board practice straight gun handling and trust solely upon those skills to handle most self-defense situations? How many of you practice other martial arts (unarmed?) besides your gun skills? (for those "just in case" moments?) How many of you practice empty hand techniques in conjunction with your gun handling skills? Just curious....I try not to get my hand or foot in front of my gun muzzle. I also have trouble chewing gum and walking without tripping myself...still practicing.

April 19, 2002, 09:47 PM	#2
gryphon Senior Member Join Date: November 21, 2000 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,069	Relying on a gun only is foolish and a good way to get yourself in trouble. Being as well rounded as possible is the best way to go if you can. __________________ Your suffering will be legendary, even in HELL!! --- PinHead, HellRaiser 2

April 19, 2002, 11:34 PM	#4
Greybeard Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2002 Location: Denton County Texas Posts: 686	I stay tuned up at least once a week by engaging in another form of "practice" that I hope I never need: RUNNING. As in going from a standing start to a full out sprint for at least 20 yards 3 or 4 times every Friday night during typical softball game. __________________ www.dentoncountysports.com A Private Palace for Pistol Proficiency

April 20, 2002, 10:46 AM	#6
ronin308 Senior Member Join Date: April 9, 2001 Posts: 1,977	I've trained in these arts: Aikido, Iaido, TKD, boxing, submission wrestling, Wing Chun. Now I cross train in basically all of them. I take what David Lowry calls "the squirrely approach to the martial arts". Everyday I jump rope, do crunches, shadowbox, pushups, work with light weights, and other stuff. I don't see why people wouldn't train in hand to hand at all. I know people that want to but they "never get around to it". All it takes is at least .5 hour/day. __________________ If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara desert in five years there’d be a shortage of sand. -Milton Friedman

April 20, 2002, 08:21 PM	#7
Cowgunner Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2000 Posts: 128	i train in Goju-Ryu, and i run about three times a week. I used to play baseball and i can chunk a baseball pretty fast __________________ You can have my gun after I shoot you.

April 19, 2002, 11:21 PM	#3
C.R.Sam Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 1999 Location: Dewey, AZ Posts: 12,858	Gun, staff, knife and empty hand. A well honed mind is the weapon, the others are tools. Sam

April 20, 2002, 08:39 AM	#5
Johnny Got His Gun.1 Senior Member Join Date: October 30, 1999 Location: Patterson, GA Posts: 264	Trained in tae kwon do. Cross trained in boxing. Cross trained in hapkido. Cross trained in jui-jutsu. Staff. Sword. Knife. Weight training to supplement martial training. Pop off a mile at a good trot with little problem. Still working on finding anything else that will help.

April 20, 2002, 10:29 PM	#8
C.R.Sam Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 1999 Location: Dewey, AZ Posts: 12,858	Standing in the hallway Middle of the night. Was I coming from or going to The bathroom. Time for Tai Chee From tree, smoothly, to butterfly The answer will appear The body and mind improve Sam

April 20, 2002, 11:40 PM	#9
El Loco Lobo Member Join Date: April 8, 2002 Location: East Helena, MT Posts: 33	along with gun handling, Go Ju Ru, knife, some driving, the best I have found is ALERTNESS stay the %@#$ out of potential areas of threat ! __________________ Life is to short to hunt with an ugly gun

April 21, 2002, 09:04 AM	#10
jar Senior Member Join Date: March 8, 2001 Location: Deep South Texas Posts: 1,668	I've studied Enola Gay school. __________________ To be vintage it's gotta be older than me!

April 21, 2002, 04:03 PM	#11
chris93473 Member Join Date: April 10, 2002 Location: R. Daley is stupid Posts: 72	i practice Kempo Karate and i liked it. __________________ American as Apple Pie

April 21, 2002, 04:19 PM	#12
cbjessee@NH Junior member Join Date: July 14, 2001 Location: Bedford, NH Posts: 72	Extension tools (knives, sticks, guns, etc.) do just that - extend the mind and body. Until all I can do is pull a trigger, I'll intergrate all modes of mental and physical preparation. BRET

April 23, 2002, 03:56 PM	#13
Mike11b Senior Member Join Date: January 21, 2002 Location: Delaware Posts: 139	tae kwon do....have taken some defensive folders (knife) courses to supplement. Try to run 3-5 miles 2x week. P-ups and s-ups daily.

April 24, 2002, 08:33 PM	#14
aep Junior Member Join Date: February 1, 2002 Location: NC Posts: 3	Wing Chun training......3 times a week for 2.5 hours each time

May 1, 2002, 02:52 AM	#16
David4516 Senior Member Join Date: May 1, 2002 Location: Washington State Posts: 158	Tae Kwon Do. In some situations you might need to protect yourself, but shooting someone might be going to far. Thats why its a good idea to know how to fight with or without your gun.

May 1, 2002, 11:29 PM	#17
Mike Kilo Niner Senior Member Join Date: January 21, 2001 Posts: 158	In the past I've trained in Aikido, Wing Chun, Jeet Kune Do, Muay Thai and Kali. Then I became a graduate student, and didn't have money/time for private lessons. Lucky for me my university has good martial arts classes that are almost free. So now I'm training in Bujinkan Ninjutsu. In reality, I'm "cross-training" as much now as I ever was -- "ninjutsu" is an over-arching label for a variety of combative schools, e.g.: taijutsu - empty hand strikes/kicks jutaijutsu - empty hand locks/grappling hanbojutsu - short staves bojutsu - long staves etc. My thinking as regards self-defense is a hierarchy of response levels: Drunk friends lunging around asking to see some "chop-sockey" get a nice soft-fall and joint lock to make them think peaceful thoughts. Agressive (unarmed) strangers get smacked until they lose interest, or I can get to a throw or lock. They might get dropped on their head. Against one big lad or several unarmed agressors, there's much to be said for a stick (thwack! poke! run away!) Deadly weapons provoke deadly force. __________________ We few, we happy few, we band of brothers -- joined in the serious business of keeping our food, shelter, clothing and loved ones from combining with oxygen. -- Kurt Vonnegut

May 1, 2002, 11:32 PM	#18
Mike Kilo Niner Senior Member Join Date: January 21, 2001 Posts: 158	Also, in a lethal force scenario you often hear about knife-wielding attackers being able to cover 21 feet in 1.5 seconds. Rather than trying to quick draw on someone who has the drop on you already, some hand to hand training will help you protect yourself and your weapon while you get it into play. __________________ We few, we happy few, we band of brothers -- joined in the serious business of keeping our food, shelter, clothing and loved ones from combining with oxygen. -- Kurt Vonnegut

May 2, 2002, 10:39 AM	#19
Pan Junior Member Join Date: April 3, 2002 Location: Front Range Colorado Posts: 12	I've got about five years of Karate under my belt (so to speak). Haven't been training recently due to time constraints though I'd highly suggest at least some basic hand to hand training for everyone. Not all situations call for lethal force (obviously) and even if they do, if you get grabbed from behind and can't get at your pistol you're in deep trouble. Pan

May 5, 2002, 07:07 AM	#20
Bugflipper Junior Member Join Date: July 11, 2001 Posts: 12	I like greybeard's response best. I'd rather run and live than fight and die. It's cool seing Jet Lee and Stevan Siegal snatch a pistol out of somebodies hand and take it apart. I 've been into martial arts for 30 years. In my oppinion anything less than a gun in a gun figth is crazy.

May 5, 2002, 12:35 PM	#21
TaxPhd Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 534	Anything less than a gun in a knife fight is crazy! Unarmed against a knife is a very bad situation to be in. __________________ TaxPhd "Those who live by the sword are probably pretty f***ing good at it." "Instructions for a successful gunfight: Front Sight, Press Trigger, repeat as necessary." - B. Braxton

May 7, 2002, 03:42 PM	#22
ballistic Member Join Date: May 7, 2002 Location: Canton, MI Posts: 58	I like having more than one option available, so I get in some practice with a baton, as well as basic (very basic) martial arts on my heavy bag. I think the concept among LEOs is "force continum", or some such buzzword. I also think that it is only applicable in very narrow circumstances, but I'd much rather baton an attacker who is staggering drunk than just plug him. Likewise a skinny kid trying to pick my pocket will get a thumping with elbows and whatnot (followed by a bullet if he pulls a knife). That said, I spend most of my time training with a firearm. It is amazing how much more "perishable" shooting skills are than plain 'ole a** kickin'.