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Sell the gun now, and avoid getting poor compensation later? 17 47.22%
Sell the gun, but buy the cheaper VZ58 & reduce possible losses? 4 11.11%
Keep the gun and hope the law is rejected? 15 41.67%
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Old November 28, 2015, 03:20 AM   #26
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Mr. Pond,

Again, I applaud you for your dedication to a sport requiring more patience with a system, as different as yours is from ours.

However I have to ask. Do you know what your are doing? I mean should you be asking Americans about this? You know that they are a bunch of rabble rousers. Associating with them could diminish your reputation or worse.

But seriously, We know how many times we can thumb our noses at our authority, but only you have any idea how your system works. I sincerely hope that you are able to keep your AR.

I hope that the Americans on forum really appreciate the liberties we have, what it took to get them and what it takes to keep them.
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Old November 28, 2015, 03:42 AM   #27
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Mr. Pond,

Again, I applaud you for your dedication to a sport requiring more patience with a system, as different as yours is from ours.

However I have to ask. Do you know what your are doing? I mean should you be asking Americans about this? You know that they are a bunch of rabble rousers. Associating with them could diminish your reputation or worse.

But seriously, We know how many times we can thumb our noses at our authority, but only you have any idea how your system works. I sincerely hope that you are able to keep your AR.
I hope that the Americans on forum really appreciate the liberties we have, what it took to get them and what it takes to keep them. Having followed a good number of Mr. Pond's posts, I think he knows the kind of advice he would get from folks on here, and, to be honest, I think most of the commenters are actually giving reasonable, thoughtful suggestions based on his predicament.

That said, I also think Mr. Pond probably knew what he was going to do in the first place, and probably just needed to comiserate a little but- I know I would.
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Old November 28, 2015, 09:31 AM   #28
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I would second getting a lever action. If it looks like they would be unaffected by the legislation and are available to you. I just bought my Henry Big Boy Steel in a .357 to pair with my revolvers and it's just about my favorite gun. Easily shoots under 2" at 50 yds and I have a load that shoots equally well from both the rifle and revolver at reasonable distances. Also very cheap to load for.
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Old November 29, 2015, 05:38 AM   #29
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Provisionally sold....



Met a fellow shooter today. He liked it and he put in a deposit. We'll wait for the documents to come through and then finalise the deal.

I'm sad, but at the same I did think on this a lot over the last week and I realised something that sweetened the pill somewhat. I'd initially given two reasons for selling the gun, but really there was only one: freeing up finances to help look after my soon-to-be born daughter and her older sister...

On some level I think I was mentally trying to figure out how to do that without selling the AR. The very next day, after deciding the AR might well have to go, the announcement of this proposed legislation killed any hope of keeping it. So it became a lightening rod for my discontent.

In that sense, the law makes no difference. Only if I were to suddenly come into some funds, would this law become the only obstacle to keeping the AR...

So in this sense, the statement below is true indeed.

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That said, I also think Mr. Pond probably knew what he was going to do in the first place, and probably just needed to comiserate a little but- I know I would.
All this doesn't mean that I'm OK with the proposal, and I will try to fight it as best I can.
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Old November 29, 2015, 05:54 AM   #30
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All this doesn't mean that I'm OK with the proposal, and I will try to fight it as best I can.
I would expect nothing less from you sir. Accepting one's present circumstances does not mean one should stop working for one's betterment.
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Old November 29, 2015, 06:04 AM   #31
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I would expect nothing less from you sir. Accepting one's present circumstances does not mean one should stop working for one's betterment.
Well, let's hope that "my best" also translates into "some good"!

On a more general note, I appreciate all the suggestions and moral support that have been shared in this thread, so my thanks to all.
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Old November 29, 2015, 06:05 AM   #32
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I think most of us forget how great we have it over here. Although some of us have lost rights to own some guns, such as people in New York.
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Old November 29, 2015, 08:43 AM   #33
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Congratulations on the new baby, James.
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Old November 30, 2015, 10:21 AM   #34
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Can the AR be permanently modified to comply with the new law; such as the AR's sold in California? Personally, I'd keep the AR and see what parts could be replaced to make it compliant with the proposed new legislation....if that is possible. Then I'd spend the money to stock up on these types of parts now.
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Old November 30, 2015, 11:49 AM   #35
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Below is a link to some info on the origin of the weapons used in the latest Paris atrocity.

They were manufactured in Yugoslavia in the late 1980's for the Yugoslav military, and the confiscation of weapons from Baltic/EU civilians would have done nothing to deter that attack, nor the ones that will likely take place in the future. Also, Brussels is known as a gun running center - gun runners tend not to conform to laws.

The article pointed out that the guns may have been in the hands of Yugoslav civilians who sold them to smugglers, but the British Broadcasting Corp. writer didn't point out that the atrocity didn't occur where the guns were "legally" held, but in France which has a lot of gun control, and where full auto weapons are totally illegal.

I wonder how he missed that point....

Intelligence, quick attack military police squads and armed civilians are more likely to work in the future than gun control hysterics.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34954048
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Old December 1, 2015, 10:09 PM   #36
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Sell it and use the funds to Immigrate to Florida or the Carribean
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Old December 4, 2015, 10:26 PM   #37
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Tough call, but I think you're doing the right thing

Welcome to the world of the responsible parent. Its too bad the law is also against you, further complicating your enjoyment of life.

Best thing I can suggest is to take the money while its good, and use it to do something good that the government can't screw up for you and your family.

Best of luck and as always we welcome your contributions, not the least of which is letting the rest of us know what is actually going on in your part of the world.
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Old December 7, 2015, 02:54 PM   #38
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You could stash it behind a drywall of your house.
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Old December 7, 2015, 04:13 PM   #39
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You could stash it behind a drywall of your house.
I'd still have to account for it! All firearms are registered so in any case the police know what you're supposed to have and would wonder why you don't have it. a gun is no good stuffed behind a wall.

Whilst those ideas may have some "avoid the grab" merit over here it would be illegal and in any case a gun makes for a poor self-defence weapon if part of the house's partitions!!...
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Old December 7, 2015, 04:27 PM   #40
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Some people have taken to burying there guns in an arms cache underground, here in the U.S. When an if the time ever comes for a need for such a gun...you still have it.

I'm not proposing that you should break any law.

Just sayin....
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Old December 7, 2015, 04:44 PM   #41
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I'm not proposing that you should break any law.
I didn't take it that way, just clarifying the hurdles to retaining ownership here.
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Old December 7, 2015, 08:31 PM   #42
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In the USA and here in Canada the lower receiver of an AR-15 is the firearm.
If they were coming for mine all they would get would be a stripped lower receiver.

I wonder what the laws are where you are concerning 80% receivers?
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Old December 8, 2015, 01:33 AM   #43
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Over here the upper would be the legally controlled component.
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