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February 24, 2011, 11:01 PM | #1 | |
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GOA email about American Affordable Health Care Act and 2A rights
So I got this email from GOA today about "Obama-Care" being "anti-gun" and how it needs to get defunded.
The email also talked about ATF, but how in the world is the healthcare reform law anti-gun? Seems like they are just gaming people into supporting them for things that have nothing to do with 2a rights. Am I missing something? Quote:
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February 25, 2011, 11:34 AM | #2 |
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AFAIK the PPACA does not contain any provisions directly related to gun control.
The GOA, along with some other libertarian groups, has been fixated for some time on the electronic record-keeping requirements in PPACA. The electronic medical record system could theoretically someday be tapped by law enforcement and connected to the NICS system, presumably to deny people from buying firearms. OTOH the key phrase here is "theoretically someday". AFAIK the PPACA does not contain provisions directly allowing law enforcement to access these records for any specific purpose, much less expanding NICS. There's also been some concern that the now-infamous Section 9006 over-$600 IRS transaction reporting requirement could be used as a form of backdoor gun registration, but the GOA press release doesn't seem to address this directly. One theory is that the ATF could use it to track over-$600 used-gun purchases by accessing IRS reports from FFLs. Another theory is that the insurance companies will somehow get this information too and use it to identify people who have bought guns so they can be charged higher rates for "unsafe" behavior. More here: http://motherjones.com/politics/2009...-aim-obamacare My take? I don't think any of this is very credible, RKBA activists should have bigger fish to fry, and the GOA is pandering to people looking for every possible excuse to oppose Obamacare.
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February 25, 2011, 11:55 AM | #3 |
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Having worn the uniform for 34 years, I'm not exactly an anti-establishement guy. But I do worry about the increasing amount of personal information that is becoming both mandatory, and electronically compiled into databases.
I will simply observe that while such data may not now be used to the individual's detriment.... ... it exists, and it eventually will be used for someone else's agenda. "Trust me" doesn't leave me with a warm fuzzy.... Last edited by mehavey; February 25, 2011 at 12:00 PM. |
February 25, 2011, 01:50 PM | #4 | |
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However, although the PPACA mandates the creation of a medical records database (which largely already exists), it's not a gun database, and it would take several more legislative steps to make it into anything remotely resembling one. Labeling a measure as "anti-gun" merely because it creates a database- any database- is a stretch IMHO. OTOH at least the GOA has been consistent about this in the past, as they don't have many nice things to say about the DHS or the TSA either.
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February 25, 2011, 10:02 PM | #5 |
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It appears that not only is GOA rightly concerned about Government access to medical records and the potential to use information to infringe on the RKBA but also the amendments to the bill which are specifically related to firearms. Just becasue the bill relates to healthcare does not mean that crazy or good amendments will not be tacked on as is the case here. We need to get a civics lesson on the legislative process. Thank God for the GOA as their endorsements were followed by the voters in the last election and not the NRA endorsements and the good guys/gals took control of the house. What if the NRA endorsements had been followed and Pelosi were still the speaker of the house. Again, Thank God for the GOA.
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February 25, 2011, 10:45 PM | #6 |
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If data exists, the government will want to be able to access it.
That's not based on theory, that's based on history. Heck, various levels of government bend over backward to maintain databases they aren't supposed to maintain, using flimsy excuses like, "Well, the way we record these we might have missed someone, some time, so it's not a complete listing and therefore it's not a database." Does anyone seriously believe that the .gov won't be pounding at the doors to access a pile of records that third parties have neatly assembled and compiled? Oh, yeah. A long time ago, on (IIRC) The High Road (pre-split), someone suggested that if you ever need mental health care, drive to a city other than where you live, use an assumed name, and pay cash. That was before the Patriot Act and Obamacare. Both of those laws IMHO simply show that the gentleman was remarkable prescient. |
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February 27, 2011, 08:51 AM | #8 | |
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February 28, 2011, 10:34 AM | #9 |
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More GOA drivel.
John P.S. - "If data exists, the government will want to be able to access it." You don't think NSA already has access to everything? If they don't they aren't doing their job. |
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