Lucas gun oil

BoogieMan · April 26, 2012, 09:12 AM

Did a thorough cleaning of my 96 last night, wife spilled something on it and let it dry. I think it was chocolate milk.
Anyway used new product on the action, Lucas.
I havent fired but the stuff coats well and everything is very smooth now. They make great products for auto's and machinery. Plus its a nice shade of red. Anyone else use it or have an opinion on the stuff. Should I use something heavier on the slide?

C0untZer0 · April 26, 2012, 09:27 AM

As far as I can tell it's just oil... probably not significantly different from motor oil.

zombieslayer · April 26, 2012, 10:17 AM

Id rather use Amsoil

Whatever work man, I'm not that picky about gun oil. I buy whatever is cheapest. Never had a gun fail from lack of lube.
I'd bet the Lucas stuff is expensive, as their automotive products are. Their gear oils are over-rated, at least in the Subaru community they're highly frowned upon.
Have fun shooting!

Water-Man · April 26, 2012, 11:37 AM

I've been using Lucas Gun Oil for about three months. Does a good job and I like it.

Bought it on the internet for $3.99 for two oz..

W-M

C0untZer0 · April 26, 2012, 11:39 AM

Four bucks for two ounces of re-branded machine oil is pretty expensive.

AMSOIL products pretty regularly outperform Lucas products up and down their respective product line.

Water-Man · April 26, 2012, 11:42 AM

Then you'd better stay with Amsoil if you think so.

BoogieMan · April 26, 2012, 12:10 PM

I bought it because it was next to the Lucas oil stabiler at pepboys and I was out.
i cant imagine any of you buy enough gun oil that it matters if your paying $2.99 or $3.99. I didnt use 8-10 quarts of the stuff last month.

KyJim · April 26, 2012, 07:59 PM

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i cant imagine any of you buy enough gun oil that it matters if your paying $2.99 or $3.99. I didnt use 8-10 quarts of the stuff last month.

Isn't that the truth! I use Mobil One 5W-30 because I think it's a great oil; the lower cost just makes me feel good about it.

I almost forgot. My little oiler bottle ran out yesterday so I put some of the Mobil One 5W-30 EXTENDED PERFORMANCE in it. Guaranteed for 15,000 rounds . . . I mean miles.

DaleA · April 26, 2012, 10:25 PM

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-wife spilled something on it and let it dry. I think it was chocolate milk.

Oh please tell me you didn't just let this go!

That's GOT to be worth a new holster or a couple of new mags or an extended range session WITH AMMO just to make sure 'there wasn't any PERMANENT damage.'

**Aguila Blanca** · April 26, 2012, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Water-Man

I've been using Lucas Gun Oil for about three months. Does a good job and I like it.

Bought it on the internet for $3.99 for two oz..

WOW!

A quart of Castrol full synthetic 5W50 will cost you $6.95 at Wal-Mart. Your Lucas stuff extrapolates to $63.84 for a quart.

**JohnKSa** · April 26, 2012, 10:43 PM

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Four bucks for two ounces of re-branded machine oil is pretty expensive.

It's generally best to establish a fact before taking it as a given.

Since it claims to be "excellent for long term storage", it's reasonably safe to assume, at the very least, that it has some anti-corrosion additives not typically found in typical machine oil or motor oil.

**Aguila Blanca** · April 26, 2012, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnKSa

It's generally best to establish a fact before taking it as a given.

Since it claims to be "excellent for long term storage", it's reasonably safe to assume, at the very least, that it has some anti-corrosion additives not typically found in typical machine oil or motor oil.

Aren't you doing exactly what you criticized C0untZer0 for? You are assuming, based (apparently) solely on an advertising claim, that a product contains certain additives but you don't seem to have any (ahem) facts to substantiate that assumption. At the same time, you are assuming that motor oils do NOT have any anti-corrosive additives, and that is erroneous. Motor oils DO have anti-corrosion additives.

From the Castrol web site:

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Castrol EDGE with SYNTEC Power Technology delivers:

Power: 42% better rating on fighting power-robbing deposits [1]
Protection: Superior engine protection against corrosive particles versus conventional and synthetic blend oils [2]
Performance: Superior performance on deposit, wear and oxidation, meeting the toughest industry requirements [2]

Castrol EDGE with SYNTEC neutralizes acids in your engine that can cause rust and corrosion on vital engine parts such as cylinders, bearings and hydraulic valve lifters as well as providing stability and endurance under extreme conditions (heat, load, speed) that can cause conventional oils to break down. Best of all, EDGE can be used with confidence in every gasoline-engine passenger car, new or old, regardless of oil previously used.

**JohnKSa** · April 26, 2012, 11:08 PM

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Aren't you doing exactly what you criticized C0untZer0 for?

Stating something as if it's fact with no attempt made to establish it as a fact is VERY different from explicitly stating something as an assumption and providing rationale for that assumption.

Example 1: 4 bucks for 2 oz. of rebranded machine oil is expensive. (There is no attempt to establish that the product is "rebranded machine oil" but it is stated as if it is fact.)

Example 2: 4 bucks for 2 oz. of what is we can reasonably safely assume is rebranded machine oil based on the MSDS of the product, is expensive. (The assumption is stated explicitly and a rationale for the assumption is also provided.)

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Motor oils DO have anti-corrosion additives.

I didn't say that they don't. What they don't have is anti-corrosion additives that make them "excellent for long-term storage". They may provide some anti-corrosion protection--any oil does, but the motor oils I've seen test results for don't provide nearly the corrosion protection of a decent gun oil.

radom · April 26, 2012, 11:13 PM

Not sure on long term storage but I have yet to pull a oil pan off a engine that had rust in it after 30 some years of use.

**JohnKSa** · April 26, 2012, 11:15 PM

I have. Especially on cars that are used mostly for short trips.

radom · April 26, 2012, 11:22 PM

Short trips and lots of water in the oil due to never getting up to temp. They also tend to be full of oil gunk paste too. Abuse most anything like that and what ever is used will not protect it.

**JohnKSa** · April 26, 2012, 11:29 PM

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Short trips and lots of water in the oil due to never getting up to temp.

So you have seen it then.

Water-Man · April 27, 2012, 12:20 AM

Let's TRY to keep in mind what the OP asked about. An opinion of Lucas Gun Oil.

C0untZer0 · April 27, 2012, 12:34 AM

OK, here's my opinion of Lucas Gun Oil based on reading the MSDS and Spec sheet.

It's oil.

I'm not saying it's horrible, but neigther is 3 in 1 oil either.

From Lucas:

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•Use on fishing reels
•Excellent household oil

Sound familiar? Cuz it's oil.

shortwave · April 27, 2012, 05:04 AM

Some time ago, a buddy of mine gave me a small 'sample' bottle of Lucas gun oil at a Napa store.

Didn't see anything particularly special about it.

Course, I'm so cheap I just turn my empty quart Amsoil bottles upside down after I change the oil in the cars and let them finish draining into my gun oil bottle.

Unless applying a 'dry lube' to a firearm, although I have in the past, I've just never found the necessity to buy special gun oils/lubes on a regular basis.

BoogieMan · April 27, 2012, 06:25 AM

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Oh please tell me you didn't just let this go!

That's GOT to be worth a new holster or a couple of new mags or an extended range session WITH AMMO just to make sure 'there wasn't any PERMANENT damage.'

Just placed the order but im out a couple weeks till delivery. NJ permits. Can only use 1 in a 30 day period.
http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/...on-specialist/

**Aguila Blanca** · April 27, 2012, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnKSa

They may provide some anti-corrosion protection--any oil does, but the motor oils I've seen test results for don't provide nearly the corrosion protection of a decent gun oil.

So where's the link to the side-by-side comparison test between "gun" oils and motor oils for long-term corrosion protection of firearms?

Without test data, you are still committing the same error of assumption for which you criticized C0untZer0.

Walt Sherrill · April 27, 2012, 07:43 AM

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So where's the link to the side-by-side comparison test between "gun" oils and motor oils for long-term corrosion protection of firearms?

Without test data, you are still committing the same error of assumption for which you criticized C0untZer0.

I've seen many such tests, over the years, and most included standard engine and light oils along with many brand-name gun "wonder" oils.

Here's are links that include premium motor oil:

One for the rifle shooter (it's focus), but it's results apply to handguns.

http://www.6mmbr.com/corrosiontest.html

A very extensive test by Brownells:

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/lid=1...-Preventatives

And one from the Gun Zone -- more readable than the rest. It doesn't test engine oil, but does include 3-in-1 and other light lubes, as well as a range of gun oils, all claiming to be rust resistant.

http://www.thegunzone.com/rust.html

The results of all of these tests suggest that except for very harsh environments (like around salt water) most oils will be good enough, but some are certainly much better than others.

Rifleman1776 · April 27, 2012, 07:55 AM

May be the greatest since the whale oil supply ran out. Or just may be motor oil with another label and higher price.
Who knows? I would like to see some definitive tests.
Is it advertising hoopla or fact?

mje · April 27, 2012, 08:07 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if the gun and auto oil were the same. years ago I was told by an employee at a company that sold high-end bicycle lubes that part of his job involved pouring Mobile One into 3.5oz containers so it cold be sold for $4. Along the same lines, an automotive engineer told me that the first automatic transmission fluid was sperm whale oil... and that modern synthetic automatic transmission fluid makes a great substitute for sperm whale oil.

April 26, 2012, 09:12 AM	#1
BoogieMan Senior Member Join Date: April 4, 2012 Location: South Jersey Posts: 2,217	Lucas gun oil Did a thorough cleaning of my 96 last night, wife spilled something on it and let it dry. I think it was chocolate milk. Anyway used new product on the action, Lucas. I havent fired but the stuff coats well and everything is very smooth now. They make great products for auto's and machinery. Plus its a nice shade of red. Anyone else use it or have an opinion on the stuff. Should I use something heavier on the slide?

April 26, 2012, 10:17 AM	#3
zombieslayer Senior Member Join Date: September 11, 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 3,198	Id rather use Amsoil Whatever work man, I'm not that picky about gun oil. I buy whatever is cheapest. Never had a gun fail from lack of lube. I'd bet the Lucas stuff is expensive, as their automotive products are. Their gear oils are over-rated, at least in the Subaru community they're highly frowned upon. Have fun shooting! __________________ "An angry prophet, denouncing the hypocrisies of our time"

April 26, 2012, 11:15 PM	#15
JohnKSa Staff Join Date: February 12, 2001 Location: DFW Area Posts: 24,974	I have. Especially on cars that are used mostly for short trips. __________________ Do you know about the TEXAS State Rifle Association?

April 26, 2012, 09:27 AM	#2
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	As far as I can tell it's just oil... probably not significantly different from motor oil.

April 26, 2012, 11:37 AM	#4
Water-Man Senior Member Join Date: March 23, 2008 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 2,126	I've been using Lucas Gun Oil for about three months. Does a good job and I like it. Bought it on the internet for $3.99 for two oz.. W-M

April 26, 2012, 11:39 AM	#5
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	Four bucks for two ounces of re-branded machine oil is pretty expensive. AMSOIL products pretty regularly outperform Lucas products up and down their respective product line.

April 26, 2012, 11:42 AM	#6
Water-Man Senior Member Join Date: March 23, 2008 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 2,126	Then you'd better stay with Amsoil if you think so.

April 26, 2012, 12:10 PM	#7
BoogieMan Senior Member Join Date: April 4, 2012 Location: South Jersey Posts: 2,217	I bought it because it was next to the Lucas oil stabiler at pepboys and I was out. i cant imagine any of you buy enough gun oil that it matters if your paying $2.99 or $3.99. I didnt use 8-10 quarts of the stuff last month.

April 26, 2012, 11:13 PM	#14
radom Senior Member Join Date: January 21, 2000 Posts: 1,353	Not sure on long term storage but I have yet to pull a oil pan off a engine that had rust in it after 30 some years of use.

April 26, 2012, 11:22 PM	#16
radom Senior Member Join Date: January 21, 2000 Posts: 1,353	Short trips and lots of water in the oil due to never getting up to temp. They also tend to be full of oil gunk paste too. Abuse most anything like that and what ever is used will not protect it.

April 27, 2012, 12:20 AM	#18
Water-Man Senior Member Join Date: March 23, 2008 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 2,126	Let's TRY to keep in mind what the OP asked about. An opinion of Lucas Gun Oil.

April 27, 2012, 05:04 AM	#20
shortwave Senior Member Join Date: December 17, 2007 Location: SOUTHEAST, OHIO Posts: 5,970	Some time ago, a buddy of mine gave me a small 'sample' bottle of Lucas gun oil at a Napa store. Didn't see anything particularly special about it. Course, I'm so cheap I just turn my empty quart Amsoil bottles upside down after I change the oil in the cars and let them finish draining into my gun oil bottle. Unless applying a 'dry lube' to a firearm, although I have in the past, I've just never found the necessity to buy special gun oils/lubes on a regular basis.

April 27, 2012, 07:55 AM	#24
Rifleman1776 Senior Member Join Date: April 25, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 3,309	May be the greatest since the whale oil supply ran out. Or just may be motor oil with another label and higher price. Who knows? I would like to see some definitive tests. Is it advertising hoopla or fact?

April 27, 2012, 08:07 AM	#25
mje Member Join Date: February 11, 2012 Location: Southeast Michigan Posts: 16	I wouldn't be surprised if the gun and auto oil were the same. years ago I was told by an employee at a company that sold high-end bicycle lubes that part of his job involved pouring Mobile One into 3.5oz containers so it cold be sold for $4. Along the same lines, an automotive engineer told me that the first automatic transmission fluid was sperm whale oil... and that modern synthetic automatic transmission fluid makes a great substitute for sperm whale oil.