Does anyone recognize this top break .455 revolver ?

Gaines Blackwell · September 11, 2011, 09:56 PM

This gun is located in Pakistan and in the same family for generations. It is not a webley though similar. Does anyone recognise it;s maker? Any help greatly appreciated. My first post here, just found this forum.

Gaines Blackwell
auburn, AL

MLeake · September 11, 2011, 10:05 PM

You might also try asking in Harley Nolden's, in The Skunkworks part of the forum. Just let the mods know, so they can link them, as you'll have duplicate threads at that point.

armoredman · September 11, 2011, 10:08 PM

Pakistan? Khyber pass style replica?

Webleymkv · September 11, 2011, 10:12 PM

It appears to be a Webley-Pryse.

http://www.nramuseum.com/the-museum/...-revolver.aspx

Jim Watson · September 11, 2011, 10:19 PM

Looks like a Pryse design. Maybe a Webley-Pryse, maybe a Hollis or Bland. Or a Francotte, they were made on the Continent as well.

Or a very fine Darra copy, of course.

Scouse · September 11, 2011, 10:22 PM

Good shout from Mr WebleyMkV I would say.

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Pryse.jpg

That thing is beautiful. Would be nice to hear a little of its story if you have it!

gyvel · September 11, 2011, 10:32 PM

If it's NOT a Webley, then it's a dead ringer for a Webley-Pryse No. 4 .476 revolver. Judging from the photo, the quality is a lot higher than any 'Khyber Pass" copy I've ever seen. It could be that the engraving has obliterated any markings on it. Unfortunately, when I magnified the photo, the picture quality was not clear enough to spot certain details; For example: Is there a forward facing arrow on the round knob forward of the cylinder?

The Webley-Pryse was based on Charles Pryse's patent of 1876.

James K · September 11, 2011, 11:36 PM

All I can say is that I have never seen a Darra gun with workmanship like that! Pryse latch guns, as Jim Watson says, were made by Webley and others in England and in Belgium, but that one looks English.

Jim

Sarge · September 11, 2011, 11:41 PM

That is way cool, whatever it is. Barbecue Gun for a Pak picnic!

Gaines Blackwell · September 12, 2011, 07:11 PM

of the original owner and is still in Pakistan. I will ask for more information about markings. I first thought Webley but remembered their are many similar guns from the UK and the continent. will get back when I know more.

Gaines

english/irish/stuff · February 10, 2013, 06:38 PM

Lovely gun regardless,I collect British revolvers almost exclusively and always like the Pryse type.It's possibly a Webley No.4 or copy but it's hard to tell in 2013 if Webley was copying the Belgians or the Belgians copying Webley.From the picture I would say most defiantly British retailed,a Pryse pattern of the later type with the inspection latch and fluted cylinder. May or may not be of British manufacture. Quite a few more than many would think were of Belgian manufacture though that does not depreciate the quality. Would be happy to look at a few more pictures if you send them to me and render a more comprehensive opinion.

Rainbow Demon · February 10, 2013, 08:49 PM

While its possible that this was made in Pakistan, if so it must have been made as a showpiece to demonstrate the highest quality of workmanship.

I'm thinking this came from a European maker, as a presentaion piece intended to spur sales to a local warlord's troops or a royal military service.
The case looks European to me, but if a copy it would be made to look that way.

Extremely grand engraving of even low cost and/or commonplace weapons could be done in Spain for peanuts well into the 70's. I suppose mainly as aprentices work pieces, the most accomplished engravers getting top dollar once they proved themselves worthy of working on more expensive custom guns.

This might be a pistol sent out of the country to have this work done.

September 11, 2011, 09:56 PM	#1
Gaines Blackwell Junior Member Join Date: September 11, 2011 Posts: 2	Need help identifying an old .455 revolver. This gun is located in Pakistan and in the same family for generations. It is not a webley though similar. Does anyone recognise it;s maker? Any help greatly appreciated. My first post here, just found this forum. Gaines Blackwell auburn, AL

September 11, 2011, 11:41 PM	#9
Sarge Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2002 Location: MO Posts: 5,457	That is way cool, whatever it is. Barbecue Gun for a Pak picnic! __________________ People were smarter before the Internet, or imbeciles were harder to notice.

September 12, 2011, 07:11 PM	#10
Gaines Blackwell Junior Member Join Date: September 11, 2011 Posts: 2	Many thanks guys, It belongs to the descendants.... of the original owner and is still in Pakistan. I will ask for more information about markings. I first thought Webley but remembered their are many similar guns from the UK and the continent. will get back when I know more. Gaines

February 10, 2013, 06:38 PM	#11
english/irish/stuff Junior Member Join Date: February 10, 2013 Posts: 1	The revolver in question Lovely gun regardless,I collect British revolvers almost exclusively and always like the Pryse type.It's possibly a Webley No.4 or copy but it's hard to tell in 2013 if Webley was copying the Belgians or the Belgians copying Webley.From the picture I would say most defiantly British retailed,a Pryse pattern of the later type with the inspection latch and fluted cylinder. May or may not be of British manufacture. Quite a few more than many would think were of Belgian manufacture though that does not depreciate the quality. Would be happy to look at a few more pictures if you send them to me and render a more comprehensive opinion.

September 11, 2011, 10:05 PM	#2
MLeake Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2007 Location: Outside KC, MO Posts: 10,128	You might also try asking in Harley Nolden's, in The Skunkworks part of the forum. Just let the mods know, so they can link them, as you'll have duplicate threads at that point.

September 11, 2011, 10:08 PM	#3
armoredman Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 5,299	Pakistan? Khyber pass style replica?

September 11, 2011, 10:12 PM	#4
Webleymkv Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 10,446	It appears to be a Webley-Pryse. http://www.nramuseum.com/the-museum/...-revolver.aspx

September 11, 2011, 10:19 PM	#5
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,543	Looks like a Pryse design. Maybe a Webley-Pryse, maybe a Hollis or Bland. Or a Francotte, they were made on the Continent as well. Or a very fine Darra copy, of course.

September 11, 2011, 10:22 PM	#6
Scouse Senior Member Join Date: June 9, 2011 Posts: 133	Good shout from Mr WebleyMkV I would say. http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Pryse.jpg That thing is beautiful. Would be nice to hear a little of its story if you have it!

September 11, 2011, 10:32 PM	#7
gyvel Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2009 Location: Northern AZ Posts: 7,172	If it's NOT a Webley, then it's a dead ringer for a Webley-Pryse No. 4 .476 revolver. Judging from the photo, the quality is a lot higher than any 'Khyber Pass" copy I've ever seen. It could be that the engraving has obliterated any markings on it. Unfortunately, when I magnified the photo, the picture quality was not clear enough to spot certain details; For example: Is there a forward facing arrow on the round knob forward of the cylinder? The Webley-Pryse was based on Charles Pryse's patent of 1876.

September 11, 2011, 11:36 PM	#8
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	All I can say is that I have never seen a Darra gun with workmanship like that! Pryse latch guns, as Jim Watson says, were made by Webley and others in England and in Belgium, but that one looks English. Jim

February 10, 2013, 08:49 PM	#12
Rainbow Demon Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2012 Posts: 397	While its possible that this was made in Pakistan, if so it must have been made as a showpiece to demonstrate the highest quality of workmanship. I'm thinking this came from a European maker, as a presentaion piece intended to spur sales to a local warlord's troops or a royal military service. The case looks European to me, but if a copy it would be made to look that way. Extremely grand engraving of even low cost and/or commonplace weapons could be done in Spain for peanuts well into the 70's. I suppose mainly as aprentices work pieces, the most accomplished engravers getting top dollar once they proved themselves worthy of working on more expensive custom guns. This might be a pistol sent out of the country to have this work done.