Speed on Steel

ammo.crafter · September 20, 2014, 05:44 PM

I competed in my first Speed on Steel shoot last week and had a blast. My main problem was using my PPC gun, Ruger MK1 with red dot sight). The second or two it took me to find the dot cost me dearly.

I have a Volquartsen LLV upper on the gun and I usually score in the top 5% at PPC. Though I did not do poorly in the steel shoot I do need different sights. Because of vision problems, open sight would not work for me.

Any suggestions that are not too costly would be greatly appreciated.

**JohnKSa** · September 20, 2014, 11:51 PM

My 2 cents is that the sight is probably ok as it is. I think you just need to practice enough so that when the gun comes up, the sight is already on target (or very close to being on target) so you don't have to "find" the dot.

A few hundred presentations with an empty gun should do it.

Shotgun Slim · September 21, 2014, 07:52 AM

+ 1 on his 2 cents. Make finding that dot a priority in your practice. I recommend using both eyes open and looking at the target(shotgun style). You might find you amaze yourself.

g.willikers · September 21, 2014, 09:52 AM

Most folks generally think dot sights are easy to use and cure all problems.
They aren't, and actually exaggerate flaws in technique.
But they are also a great training tool for perfecting one's technique.
Get it right and the dot is right there.
Get it wrong and you instantly know it.
But there are differences in dot scopes, too.
The tube type is much easier to use.
The tube, itself, greatly helps align things with the target.
Although, once you get the hang of it, the design is less important.

mxsailor803 · September 22, 2014, 06:59 AM

I had a MK1 setup similar to yours and had the same problem initially. It took a lot of empty gun drills to get the sight picture I needed to be consistent. Another thing I did was swapped on a set of Hogue target grips to help make sure my grip was consistent. Don't rule the red dot out just yet.

ammo.crafter · September 22, 2014, 08:04 AM

Thanks to all for the good advice. Practice, practice, practice.
BTW I do have Hogue grips on the MK1.

September 20, 2014, 05:44 PM	#1
ammo.crafter Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2006 Location: The Keystone State Posts: 1,970	Speed on Steel I competed in my first Speed on Steel shoot last week and had a blast. My main problem was using my PPC gun, Ruger MK1 with red dot sight). The second or two it took me to find the dot cost me dearly. I have a Volquartsen LLV upper on the gun and I usually score in the top 5% at PPC. Though I did not do poorly in the steel shoot I do need different sights. Because of vision problems, open sight would not work for me. Any suggestions that are not too costly would be greatly appreciated. __________________ "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading". --Thomas Jefferson

September 20, 2014, 11:51 PM	#2
JohnKSa Staff Join Date: February 12, 2001 Location: DFW Area Posts: 24,994	My 2 cents is that the sight is probably ok as it is. I think you just need to practice enough so that when the gun comes up, the sight is already on target (or very close to being on target) so you don't have to "find" the dot. A few hundred presentations with an empty gun should do it. __________________ Do you know about the TEXAS State Rifle Association?

September 21, 2014, 09:52 AM	#4
g.willikers Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 10,442	Most folks generally think dot sights are easy to use and cure all problems. They aren't, and actually exaggerate flaws in technique. But they are also a great training tool for perfecting one's technique. Get it right and the dot is right there. Get it wrong and you instantly know it. But there are differences in dot scopes, too. The tube type is much easier to use. The tube, itself, greatly helps align things with the target. Although, once you get the hang of it, the design is less important. __________________ Walt Kelly, alias Pogo, sez: “Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent.”

September 22, 2014, 08:04 AM	#6
ammo.crafter Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2006 Location: The Keystone State Posts: 1,970	THX Thanks to all for the good advice. Practice, practice, practice. BTW I do have Hogue grips on the MK1. __________________ "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading". --Thomas Jefferson

September 21, 2014, 07:52 AM	#3
Shotgun Slim Senior Member Join Date: March 9, 2014 Location: Va Posts: 291	+ 1 on his 2 cents. Make finding that dot a priority in your practice. I recommend using both eyes open and looking at the target(shotgun style). You might find you amaze yourself.

September 22, 2014, 06:59 AM	#5
mxsailor803 Senior Member Join Date: February 8, 2010 Location: SC Posts: 1,344	I had a MK1 setup similar to yours and had the same problem initially. It took a lot of empty gun drills to get the sight picture I needed to be consistent. Another thing I did was swapped on a set of Hogue target grips to help make sure my grip was consistent. Don't rule the red dot out just yet.