j c higgens by high standard question

bspillman · August 28, 2013, 01:07 PM

was the model 20 the only pump that high standard made? i am looking at buying one but the seller can't tell me the model number. It is a pump and it does not have the muzzle looking choke or what ever it is on the end of the barrel.

PetahW · August 28, 2013, 01:21 PM

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H-S only ever made one pumpgun - the Flite King.

The Flite King had different model numbers applied, depending upon the gauge & features. (over a dozen model numbers).

The ones H-S made & badged for chain stores (like Sears/J.C.Higgins, J.C.Penny, Western Auto, etc) had whatever model number the particular contract called for.

The J.C.Higgins Model 20 = The H-S Model 200 Flite King.

The "muzzle looking choke" is the once popular PolyChoke (or, perhaps an aftermarket Cutts Compensator).

Both the PolyChoke Co. & Cutts had contracts to install their adjustable choke device (PolyChoke) or muzzle brake w/choke tubes (Cutts) on the shotguns of several different factories - to satisfy the demand for a shotgun equipped with anything other than a single fixed choke.

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bspillman · August 28, 2013, 01:25 PM

Thanks for the quick reply. so if i see a pump JC Higgins it going to be the same as a model 20 or model 200, am I understanding that correctly. the one i am looking at has the badge on the stock.

PetahW · August 28, 2013, 01:36 PM

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Not necessarily - Savage/Stevens (m-67) & Winchester (M1200) also made/badged pumpguns for Sears.

The H-S Model 200 series were only 20ga's.

Other gauges carried different model numbers, but they're all the same gun (action, etc).

The little silver-colored shield/badge on the bottom line of the buttstock was part/parcel of the Sear's spec'ed guns (The autoloaders have the shield, too).

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bspillman · August 28, 2013, 01:41 PM

so are the pump models a good reliable shotgun as the model 20? sorry im new to shotgunning and the only model that pops up when i Google is the model 20.

BigD_in_FL · August 28, 2013, 08:21 PM

What's your intended usage for this new-to-you gun?

bspillman · August 28, 2013, 08:34 PM

Bird hunting mostly and maybe some fun shooting. I also want one because high standard made great guns from what I have read.

CaptainChaos · August 29, 2013, 03:45 AM

If that "muzzle looking choke" is a PowerPac choke, then be aware that some people advise the use of fibre wad only; the PowerPac chokes have a gap between the muzzle and the start of the choke. The theory is that the petals of a plaswad could open up into this gap.

Being in the UK, this isn't an issue for me since we mainly use fibre wad, anyway.

Apololgies for the lousy photo but, for what it's worth, here is my M20 (with PowerPac choke):

Regards,

Mark.

bspillman · August 30, 2013, 02:42 PM

Well I bought one. Its in decent shape, I have not shot it yet but it seems to function good. Two questions when I work the action if I dont slam it closed it doesnt lock, is this normal? And it also has slam fire capabilities, is this normal.

EYEheartGUNS · September 9, 2013, 07:50 PM

captainchaos I have the same exact model 20, smooth as butter! WISH I had that 1887!
bspillman I slam-fire mime all the time! Its a blast! (no pun intended) hold that trigger and pump your heart out!

CaptainChaos · September 10, 2013, 01:06 AM

It's not a *real* '1887, of course, but an Italian reproduction. It's a little more difficult to use than a pump but *really* great fun to shoot.

As for the M20, I had no idea that they slam-fired; I simply never tried it. My main gun is a 1982 M37 DSPS (in M&P livery) and that *definitely* slam-fires.

Regards,

Mark.

jaguarxk120 · September 10, 2013, 06:54 AM

Gentlemen, please "pump fire".

EYEheartGUNS · September 10, 2013, 01:07 PM

have a 37 police special also! Very fun! Figured the '87 was a repro, but didn't wanna offend ya just incase it wasnt

CaptainChaos · September 10, 2013, 02:14 PM

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have a 37 police special also! Very fun!

They certainly are.

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Figured the '87 was a repro, but didn't
wanna offend ya just incase it wasnt

Awww, Hell. This is the Internet - you're supposed to post first and think later.

If the '87 was real, I certainly wouldn't shoot it so aggressively. (I use the M37 and 1887 for PSG.)

Regards,

Mark.

August 28, 2013, 01:07 PM	#1
bspillman Senior Member Join Date: October 28, 2011 Posts: 559	j c higgens by high standard question was the model 20 the only pump that high standard made? i am looking at buying one but the seller can't tell me the model number. It is a pump and it does not have the muzzle looking choke or what ever it is on the end of the barrel.

August 28, 2013, 01:21 PM	#2
PetahW Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2008 Posts: 4,678	. H-S only ever made one pumpgun - the Flite King. The Flite King had different model numbers applied, depending upon the gauge & features. (over a dozen model numbers). The ones H-S made & badged for chain stores (like Sears/J.C.Higgins, J.C.Penny, Western Auto, etc) had whatever model number the particular contract called for. The J.C.Higgins Model 20 = The H-S Model 200 Flite King. The "muzzle looking choke" is the once popular PolyChoke (or, perhaps an aftermarket Cutts Compensator). Both the PolyChoke Co. & Cutts had contracts to install their adjustable choke device (PolyChoke) or muzzle brake w/choke tubes (Cutts) on the shotguns of several different factories - to satisfy the demand for a shotgun equipped with anything other than a single fixed choke. .

August 28, 2013, 01:25 PM	#3
bspillman Senior Member Join Date: October 28, 2011 Posts: 559	Thanks for the quick reply. so if i see a pump JC Higgins it going to be the same as a model 20 or model 200, am I understanding that correctly. the one i am looking at has the badge on the stock.

August 28, 2013, 01:36 PM	#4
PetahW Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2008 Posts: 4,678	. Not necessarily - Savage/Stevens (m-67) & Winchester (M1200) also made/badged pumpguns for Sears. The H-S Model 200 series were only 20ga's. Other gauges carried different model numbers, but they're all the same gun (action, etc). The little silver-colored shield/badge on the bottom line of the buttstock was part/parcel of the Sear's spec'ed guns (The autoloaders have the shield, too). .

August 28, 2013, 01:41 PM	#5
bspillman Senior Member Join Date: October 28, 2011 Posts: 559	so are the pump models a good reliable shotgun as the model 20? sorry im new to shotgunning and the only model that pops up when i Google is the model 20.

August 28, 2013, 08:21 PM	#6
BigD_in_FL Junior member Join Date: December 20, 2012 Location: The "Gunshine State" Posts: 1,981	What's your intended usage for this new-to-you gun?

August 28, 2013, 08:34 PM	#7
bspillman Senior Member Join Date: October 28, 2011 Posts: 559	Bird hunting mostly and maybe some fun shooting. I also want one because high standard made great guns from what I have read.

August 29, 2013, 03:45 AM	#8
CaptainChaos Member Join Date: November 8, 2011 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 49	If that "muzzle looking choke" is a PowerPac choke, then be aware that some people advise the use of fibre wad only; the PowerPac chokes have a gap between the muzzle and the start of the choke. The theory is that the petals of a plaswad could open up into this gap. Being in the UK, this isn't an issue for me since we mainly use fibre wad, anyway. Apololgies for the lousy photo but, for what it's worth, here is my M20 (with PowerPac choke): Regards, Mark.

August 30, 2013, 02:42 PM	#9
bspillman Senior Member Join Date: October 28, 2011 Posts: 559	Well I bought one. Its in decent shape, I have not shot it yet but it seems to function good. Two questions when I work the action if I dont slam it closed it doesnt lock, is this normal? And it also has slam fire capabilities, is this normal.

September 9, 2013, 07:50 PM	#10
EYEheartGUNS Junior Member Join Date: September 8, 2013 Posts: 10	captainchaos I have the same exact model 20, smooth as butter! WISH I had that 1887! bspillman I slam-fire mime all the time! Its a blast! (no pun intended) hold that trigger and pump your heart out!

September 10, 2013, 01:06 AM	#11
CaptainChaos Member Join Date: November 8, 2011 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 49	It's not a real '1887, of course, but an Italian reproduction. It's a little more difficult to use than a pump but really great fun to shoot. As for the M20, I had no idea that they slam-fired; I simply never tried it. My main gun is a 1982 M37 DSPS (in M&P livery) and that definitely slam-fires. Regards, Mark.

September 10, 2013, 06:54 AM	#12
jaguarxk120 Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,620	Gentlemen, please "pump fire".

September 10, 2013, 01:07 PM	#13
EYEheartGUNS Junior Member Join Date: September 8, 2013 Posts: 10	have a 37 police special also! Very fun! Figured the '87 was a repro, but didn't wanna offend ya just incase it wasnt