Dogtown hp vs varmint nightmare x-rteme ?

rebs · June 9, 2013, 02:16 PM

when I load the nightmare x-treme hp's the OAL stays within + or - 1/1000
when I load dthp's the OAL varies anywhere from 2/1000 to 5/1000
since all bullets are actually seated by the ogive, meaning the part of the die that seats the bullet does not touch the tip of the bullet but seats by touching the ogive.
What makes the dthp's vary so much ? Could it be that the dthp's are being bought by Midway USA as seconds ? How much variation in OAL are you guys seeing ?

Clark · June 9, 2013, 04:06 PM

The varmint nightmare has exposed Lead, and is a nightmare to moly coat. It will contaminate the moly coating process and nothing gets coated. The container or bowl must be thrown away.

steve4102 · June 9, 2013, 04:53 PM

Measuring off the Ogive or the tip?

rebs · June 9, 2013, 05:13 PM

measuring off the tip.
where is the exposed lead, inside the hollow point ? I don't understand your reply in relationship to my question. ?

steve4102 · June 9, 2013, 09:32 PM

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where is the exposed lead, inside the hollow point ? I don't understand your reply in relationship to my question.

You are correct, the Midsouth Varmint extreme HP and the Midway Dogtown HP do not have exposed lead tips. Even with that, a more accurate measurement can be had by measuring off the ogive instead of the tip.

BTW, .005 is not bad for inexpensive bullets like the DT.

rebs · June 10, 2013, 05:50 AM

Steve, Thank you for the help, I appreciate it.

June 9, 2013, 02:16 PM	#1
rebs Senior Member Join Date: January 10, 2012 Posts: 3,881	Dogtown hp vs varmint nightmare x-rteme ? when I load the nightmare x-treme hp's the OAL stays within + or - 1/1000 when I load dthp's the OAL varies anywhere from 2/1000 to 5/1000 since all bullets are actually seated by the ogive, meaning the part of the die that seats the bullet does not touch the tip of the bullet but seats by touching the ogive. What makes the dthp's vary so much ? Could it be that the dthp's are being bought by Midway USA as seconds ? How much variation in OAL are you guys seeing ?

June 9, 2013, 04:06 PM	#2
Clark Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 1999 Location: WA, the ever blue state Posts: 4,678	The varmint nightmare has exposed Lead, and is a nightmare to moly coat. It will contaminate the moly coating process and nothing gets coated. The container or bowl must be thrown away. __________________ The word 'forum" does not mean "not criticizing books." "Ad hominem fallacy" is not the same as point by point criticism of books. If you bought the book, and believe it all, it may FEEL like an ad hominem attack, but you might strive to accept other points of view may exist. Are we a nation of competing ideas, or a nation of forced conformity of thought?

June 9, 2013, 04:53 PM	#3
steve4102 Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,955	Measuring off the Ogive or the tip?

June 9, 2013, 05:13 PM	#4
rebs Senior Member Join Date: January 10, 2012 Posts: 3,881	measuring off the tip. where is the exposed lead, inside the hollow point ? I don't understand your reply in relationship to my question. ?

June 10, 2013, 05:50 AM	#6
rebs Senior Member Join Date: January 10, 2012 Posts: 3,881	Steve, Thank you for the help, I appreciate it.