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December 2, 2012, 05:25 PM | #1 |
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Rationale of not carrying in Post Office
I can understand why individuals should not be allowed carry inside courthouses, and some other government buildings, but what exactly is the rationale for not being able to carry inside a POST OFFICE??? The only thing that comes to mind relates to receiving certified mail that contains bad tidings... Is this why?
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December 2, 2012, 05:36 PM | #2 |
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There is none. Same with government buildings.
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December 2, 2012, 07:34 PM | #3 |
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It's a Federal building, the rule is the same for all of them.
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December 2, 2012, 09:15 PM | #4 |
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I think we're waiting for a US Supreme Court ruling on "carry" before challenging this crap.
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What is the big deal? How many people need to go to the Post Office three times a day? If you job has you running from federal building to federal building all day long, then you need to deal with the carry issue, just as hundreds others do who have that type of job (lawyer) who cc.
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Carry in a post office is prohibited under a separate regulation adopted by the USPS. It does NOT contain any exemption for "other lawful purposes," and it applies to the entire property, not just the interior of the building. |
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December 2, 2012, 11:40 PM | #7 |
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CFR (Code of Fed Reg) title 39 "conduct on postal property" states in pertinent part "NO PERSON while on postal property may carry firearms ...."
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December 2, 2012, 11:41 PM | #8 |
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The rationale is you don't want people "going postal"
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December 2, 2012, 11:43 PM | #9 |
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Frankly, at one time bandits targeted the post office like banks.
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December 3, 2012, 12:06 AM | #10 |
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The frustrating part isn’t the prohibition against carry inside the Post Office, but the fact that you cannot even have a gun in your car on their property. So, it isn’t matter of leaving a gun in the car, but having to leave it at home.
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But ... since Obama's election (the first time) the VA hospital has sprouted signs at all entrances to the PROPERTY saying no weapons are allowed on the PROPERTY. Of course, the authority they cite is the standard Federal law that specifically says "in" Federal facilities, and defines "facility" as a building, but when I tried to politely discuss this with a sergeant on the campus cop squad he copped an attitude and I decided discretion was the better part of valor -- so I beat a hasty retreat. It's a significant difficulty for me because I live 15 miles west of the hospital, and the range where I shoot is 20 miles east. It used to be convenient to toss a range bag in the Jeep, go to an appointment, then continue on to the range. Now I have to reverse direction and schlep all the way back home before I head off to the range. |
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December 3, 2012, 01:00 AM | #12 |
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All federal laws that restrict freedoms tend to be contradicting and not thoroughly thought out.
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December 3, 2012, 06:07 AM | #13 |
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Excluding post offices, aren't most government buildings usually staffed with guards? It is rather pointless to mandate a "gun free zone" when there are no means to enforce it or protect the people using the building.
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December 3, 2012, 08:37 AM | #14 |
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There IS a Federal Case addressing this, Bonidy v USPS:
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=472340
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I just don't understand what the rationale of heck those who wrote the USPS regulations. I wonder if they are afraid of their own going off the deep end...
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When I go to the post office I park in the business next door and walk over from there. Are all your guys' post offices really isolated? I understand that it's inconvenient but not impossible.
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December 4, 2012, 12:02 AM | #19 |
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Wait, are you asking for the rationale behind a federal law?
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The latest in the Bonidy case can be found here: Bonidy vs US Postal Service
If you take the time to read the defendants MSJ, you will see all the justification you would ever want to see, in why the USPS doesn't want any guns on property it controls. |
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December 5, 2012, 08:00 AM | #22 |
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If we are to take the post offices arguments against guns on postal property then I cant see why that same logic wouldn't or couldn't be applied to every ounce of federal property.
For myself I do not see a the post office as having some special need that out weights the right... Certainly any BG isn't going to obey the law so the only people left with out a firearm on postal property are lawful citizens...
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The term "Federal facility" means a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties. 18 U.S.C. section 930 During one of the firearm classes I took, a lawyer said he believed that a ranger station or National Forest visitor center would also fall under this definition out to the parking lot.
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