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August 9, 2015, 07:52 PM | #1 |
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38 Auto nickle cased ammo from pre-1965
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My pastor generously gave me a box of old 38 Auto ammo. The box is yellow ith "Western" in red on a blue band at the top, below that in the yellow area it says "Super-X" and below that in blue "38 Automatic (oilproof)", at the bottom is "Lubaloy" in red text,. The best I've been able to date this by searching on line is pre 1965, but maybe pre 1950, I've seen that too. My question is, assuming it was loaded early enough the power could have been near or at what we call 38 Super today. This, of course, if it is even safe to shoot. So, what I'm wondering is, based on my description of the box, would the date be as late as 1965? I've read enough to believe the case is the same as what we call 38 Super today, so I should be able to load it to 38 Super loadings.
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August 10, 2015, 06:14 AM | #2 |
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Read this and see if it helps.http://38super.net/Pages/History.html
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August 10, 2015, 07:00 AM | #3 |
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That style box was, I think dropped shortly after World War II. In fact it may not have been used after Western resumed civilian production as the war wound down.
I know it was not in use in 1965. "My question is, assuming it was loaded early enough the power could have been near or at what we call 38 Super today." No. The .38 Super was developed as a high-pressure loading in the .38 Auto case in the late 1920s for Colt 1911 automatics. It was never intended to be used in Colt's earlier guns. Ammo loaded in the early days of the cartridge was often marked (by Winchester) as the .38 Auto Super Speed. Later, because of the confusion, the name was simply shortened to .38 Super. Boxes marked .38 Auto, but with no mention of "super speed" were loaded to traditional .38 Auto ballistics.
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August 10, 2015, 08:13 AM | #5 |
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Unlike Super Speed, Super-X is simply a trademark and signifies nothing about the cartridge loading.
Prior to World War I the "X" was actually a Maltese cross, but with the advent of the war and strong anti-German sentiment, the cross, associated with Germany, as changed to the Super-X logo.
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When it comes to handgun cases, the only sorting paradigm I've ever used is caliber, and then whether or not the cases are nickle plated.
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