.32 Win Special Parent Cartridge?

[Mosin-Marauder]

Just wondering, wanting to confirm what I thought it was (.30-30) as I can't find anything on Google. , thanks for your help.
-Mo.

[iamdb]

your google-fu is weak, young grass hopper.

try googling .32 win special. click first result. answer is in the first sentence under history.

[Mosin-Marauder]

So I was right, sensai? (I see your your grasshopper and raise you one sensai!)

[iamdb]

yes you were right.

For bonus point's tell me the parent cartridge of the .35 remington

[Mosin-Marauder]

I could only find that it was some sort of old obsolete European cartridge, in 8 mm I assume.

[iamdb]

No points for you. And I'm not handing out the answer.

[Mosin-Marauder]

I really have No clue

[iamdb]

My favorite center fire rifle cartridge to this day. Wal-mart may have quit carrying it, but gander and dicks still have it. The hogs here in the swamp refer to it as, the divine voice When it speaks, meat hits the ground.

[Mosin-Marauder]

.30 Rem?

[JD0x0]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.32_Winchester_Special

[Pathfinder45]

I suppose one could say that that the parent cartridge is 38-55 or 32-40 since the 30-30 was derived from those.

[Blindstitch]

The good thing about 32 winchester is you can use 30-30 in it in a pinch but don't try the opposite thing.

[Scorch]

That is really bad advice. I picked up a 94 in 32 Special many years ago because the owner said it wouldn't kill anything. Bought it with about 7 or 8 boxes of assorted 30-30 ammo he was trying to use in it. But hey, put 32 Special in it and it was a killer!

And the parent cartridge is the 38-55.

[Blindstitch]

That is really bad advice.

It's not meant to be great advice. More like life or death at close range.

Some of the prices I have seen on 32 ammo is disgusting compared to 30-30. I think Gander Mountain had it for $30 a box.

[Mosin-Marauder]

Kinda like the GI's putting 7.7 Jap in their Garand's if they were out of ammo or in a dire situation. It would fire, there would be a lot of pressure, but it's better than no ammo at all.

[Mike Irwin]

"For bonus point's tell me the parent cartridge of the .35 remington"

I believe the .35 Remington case was an entirely new design.

[BillM]

[QUOTEKinda like the GI's putting 7.7 Jap in their Garand's if they were out of ammo or in a dire situation. It would fire, there would be a lot of pressure, but it's better than no ammo at all.][/QUOTE]

More like shooting .270 in a 30-06. My uncle showed me that one many
years ago. He couldn't get in the military in WWII, so worked the family
farm. 30-06 ammo was not to be found---but there was 270. So he
shot 270 in the 30-06 to put meat on the table. Heck of a fireball and
accuracy was maybe 75 yards, but it beat throwing rocks. Still have that
old Springfield, and it didn't seem to harm it.

[Mike Irwin]

"Kinda like the GI's putting 7.7 Jap in their Garand's if they were out of ammo or in a dire situation. It would fire, there would be a lot of pressure, but it's better than no ammo at all."

Pressure would actually be low if the 7.7 round would chamber in the Garand. The Arisaka cartridge is slightly larger at the case head, so complete chambering can be iffy.

If the round does chamber, the bullet is .311, as opposed to the .308 diameter of the American round. .003 isn't that much.

What would really work to keep pressures low, though, is the fact that the Arisaka case is 5mm shorter than the .30-06 and the case at the shoulder is significantly smaller -- .429 for the Arisaka and .441 for the .30-06.

That extra space acts as an expansion chamber, helping keep peak chamber pressure low.

[iamdb]

Mike win's the bonus points!

[Mosin-Marauder]

In case you guys were wondering why I asked, I was trying to win a contest to win a Knife, I lost. The "correct answer" was .38-55. Oh well. :P

[Mike Irwin]

"I suppose one could say that that the parent cartridge is 38-55 or 32-40..."

The true parent cartridge of the .30-30 isn't the .38-55, it's an even earlier cartridge, the .38-50, which was introduced in 1876.

The .38-50 was an "Everlast, which used much heavier case walls than later cases.

In 1884 the .38-50 case was lengthened, the case walls reduced to a more modern thickness, and named the .38-55.

The .32-40 was also introduced at the same time.

What most people don't know about the .38-55 and .32-40 is that they weren't Winchester developments.

The .38-50 Everlasting was developed by Charles Ballard for his rifles, while the .38-55 and .32-40 were actually introduced while Marlin was making most Ballard named firearms.

Winchester apparently didn't pick up the rounds until the 1890s, first in its Browning single shots, and then in the Model 1894.

[Jim Watson]

Depends on how far back up the family tree you want to go.
The .32 Winchester Special is the .30-30 head and body with
the .32-40 bullet diameter. Sounds like parents to me.
Wouldn't that make the .38-55 the grandparent and the .38-50 Everlasting the great grandparent? (And not to be confused with the .38-50 Remington which is a different cartridge altogether.)

[iamdb]

Someone should correct wikipedia.

[Mike Irwin]

"Wouldn't that make the .38-55 the grandparent and the .38-50 Everlasting the great grandparent?"

Eh.... whatever. No need to assign a complicated family tree to it.


"Someone should correct wikipedia."

As to what?

[MoGas1341]

My first hunting rifle was a .32 Win Special 94 carbine that is my Dad's, and I remember him telling me that it never caught on like the 30-30, but one advantage to it was that you could pack it full of black powder and use it, which was handy for the poorer folks in the early 20th century.

Not to hijack the thread, but since we are talking about the .32 Win Special, does anyone know if there is any validity to this. I've never researched or attempted it, but just remembered him telling me that 20 years ago...