thayer, robertson & cary 32 cal. 5 shot hammerless breaktop revolver.

ayotte50 · February 24, 2010, 08:07 AM

Does anyone know the value of this gun or the popularity. We are asked to take this in trade on a new 1911 but have no idea of its value. No serial no. on gun, just (Pat. applied for) no dates. I have a couple photos but cant see how to post them yet.

RJay · February 24, 2010, 10:15 AM

It is believed to be a Thames revolver under a obscure dealership name. The Thames is listed at 500 in excellent down to 60 in poor. Seems a little high to me.

Steven Mace · February 24, 2010, 12:20 PM

Some history here:

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...ad.php?t=45463

Steve Mace

Harley Nolden · February 24, 2010, 01:48 PM

Thames Arms Company Norwich Connecticut 1880s

Product
The Thames Arms Company was originally incoporated as
The Thames Chain & Stamping Company on August 28, 1896. Subscribers of the capital stock of $10'000 (100 shares) were
James D. Robertson, Norwichm who hold 35 shares
Frederic W. Carey, Norwich, who hold 59 shares
Herbert B. Carey, Noweich, who hold 1 share
William Hieca, Norwich, who hold 5 shares.

On September 21, 1900 the name was changed to The Thames Arms Company The business of thas company is quite understood. The sold exact copies of the Hopkins & Allen revolvers and therefore it can be believed that Thames Arms Company was only created to sold Hopkins & Allen made guns to others than Merwin, Hulbert & Co.

Anyway, Thames Arms Company figured already as of 1885 on some top break revolvers and on some solid frame XL revolvers of H&A. Therefore its origine was likely a trademark of Hopkins & Allen. One more argument is that they utilized the J. Boland (assigned to H&A) and G.W. Cilley's patents as well as of much other patents granted to H&A or its stuff.

It might be that this Thames Chain & Stamping Company, respectively Thames Arms Company had a predecessor in Thayer, Robertson & Carey that existed from 1885 or earlier.

In standard works of tradenames Thames Arms Compnay is listened as a tradename or possibly tradename used by Forehand & Wadsworth Co., Hopkins & Allen as well as of Charles J. Godfrey, New York.

.22 r.f. caliber, 7 shot, top break

Mr Harley

James K · February 26, 2010, 08:32 PM

Those revolvers, like the Thames and the H&A guns, were a cut above some of the "suicide specials" of the day, and there is some collector interest. But they do not bring high prices unless in near-new condition. On an average, they sell in the $65-100 range. Unless a dealer is willing to just "eat" the gun to make a deal on something else, he needs to know that there are no parts available and few gunsmiths who will even attempt to repair them.

Jim

February 24, 2010, 08:07 AM	#1
ayotte50 Junior Member Join Date: February 24, 2010 Posts: 5	thayer, robertson & cary 32 cal. 5 shot hammerless breaktop revolver. Does anyone know the value of this gun or the popularity. We are asked to take this in trade on a new 1911 but have no idea of its value. No serial no. on gun, just (Pat. applied for) no dates. I have a couple photos but cant see how to post them yet. Last edited by ayotte50; February 24, 2010 at 02:00 PM.

February 24, 2010, 12:20 PM	#3
Steven Mace Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 1999 Location: Clifton, Colorado USA Posts: 724	Some history here: http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...ad.php?t=45463 Steve Mace __________________ After today, its all historical

February 24, 2010, 10:15 AM	#2
RJay Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2005 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,936	It is believed to be a Thames revolver under a obscure dealership name. The Thames is listed at 500 in excellent down to 60 in poor. Seems a little high to me.

February 24, 2010, 01:48 PM	#4
Harley Nolden Staff In Memoriam Join Date: January 8, 1999 Location: Brunswick,GA USA Posts: 1,884	Thames Arms Company Norwich Connecticut 1880s Product The Thames Arms Company was originally incoporated as The Thames Chain & Stamping Company on August 28, 1896. Subscribers of the capital stock of $10'000 (100 shares) were James D. Robertson, Norwichm who hold 35 shares Frederic W. Carey, Norwich, who hold 59 shares Herbert B. Carey, Noweich, who hold 1 share William Hieca, Norwich, who hold 5 shares. On September 21, 1900 the name was changed to The Thames Arms Company The business of thas company is quite understood. The sold exact copies of the Hopkins & Allen revolvers and therefore it can be believed that Thames Arms Company was only created to sold Hopkins & Allen made guns to others than Merwin, Hulbert & Co. Anyway, Thames Arms Company figured already as of 1885 on some top break revolvers and on some solid frame XL revolvers of H&A. Therefore its origine was likely a trademark of Hopkins & Allen. One more argument is that they utilized the J. Boland (assigned to H&A) and G.W. Cilley's patents as well as of much other patents granted to H&A or its stuff. It might be that this Thames Chain & Stamping Company, respectively Thames Arms Company had a predecessor in Thayer, Robertson & Carey that existed from 1885 or earlier. In standard works of tradenames Thames Arms Compnay is listened as a tradename or possibly tradename used by Forehand & Wadsworth Co., Hopkins & Allen as well as of Charles J. Godfrey, New York. .22 r.f. caliber, 7 shot, top break Mr Harley

February 26, 2010, 08:32 PM	#5
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	Those revolvers, like the Thames and the H&A guns, were a cut above some of the "suicide specials" of the day, and there is some collector interest. But they do not bring high prices unless in near-new condition. On an average, they sell in the $65-100 range. Unless a dealer is willing to just "eat" the gun to make a deal on something else, he needs to know that there are no parts available and few gunsmiths who will even attempt to repair them. Jim