Chauchat CSRG in 30-06 Receiver?

ArizonaRick · February 1, 2012, 11:50 AM

A friend's grandfather past away and had a Chauchat CSRG in 30-06 with a welded plug in the barrel that qualified as a De-mill at the time. The ATF says the reciever must be torch cut in two places if he wants to keep the gun. Can someone tell me what the ATF considers the receiver on the Chauchat (the ATF would not tell me). Also, does anyone have a ball park price of what the parts on this gun are worth, less the reciever (it's complete, no rust, 1917 mfg, with magazine, only dropped once)??

Poodleshooter · February 1, 2012, 06:57 PM

Link:
http://fullautofun.homestead.com/page36.html
scroll down to DEWAT

Was this an ATF form 5 papered DEWAT from 1968 or prior, or just an "improperly" demilled gun with no papers at all?

If it's on a Form 5, and was registered as a DEWAT MG prior to the 68 amnesty, then it's possible that it can be put on a tax paid Form 1 and reactivated as an MG, since it was already an MG prior to 1986.

I'm guessing it's the latter though from what ATF says.

James K · February 1, 2012, 09:17 PM

The receiver would be the part that holds the bolt and firing mechanism. I think cutting the receiver in two places and destroying the part between would be adequate, but I am not BATFE. Since they would have to approve any such "demilling", they should be able to say what they would approve and draw a picture. If they can't or won't do that, he should tell whomever he is talking to that he wants an opinion from the Technical Division at BATFE HQ. I have found those folks reasonable, unlike some field agents who have little knowledge of guns and simply like to push people around.

I assume the gun is not registered, and they probably feel they are being very nice to allow the gun to be demilled and not just confiscate it. So who has the gun now? I assume BATFE or a PD. What contacts has he had with BATFE? Has BATFE checked their records to be sure it is not registered? Has he looked for registration papers among his grandfather's effects?

Jim

ArizonaRick · February 16, 2012, 02:12 PM

The owner has now torch cut the receiver into many small pieces and has dicarded them. He would like to sell the remaining parts if that is possible. The gun was complete including magazine and bi-pod. What is the best way to sell these parts? Should they be sold as a complete set or piece-meal? Any suggestions would be helpful

Willie Lowman · February 16, 2012, 02:19 PM

Put them up for sale in one lot. If that doesn't work, sell pieces. A complete parts kit is worth more to someone who would like to build something from it.

If you sell the barrel or something important you may wind up with a pile of small parts nobody wants.

ArizonaRick · February 17, 2012, 01:00 PM

Are there any issues selling the parts on line? Stock, bi-pod, mag, bolt? Are there any states they cannot be shipped to?

oprod · February 26, 2012, 11:23 AM

Pm sent last week, no response

dbar1918 · February 26, 2012, 10:10 PM

Please send me a PM regarding the Chauchat parts, etc.

Dave Stieghan
david.stieghan@att,net

February 1, 2012, 11:50 AM	#1
ArizonaRick Member Join Date: November 1, 2006 Location: Southern Missouri - Ozarks Posts: 89	Chauchat CSRG in 30-06 Receiver? A friend's grandfather past away and had a Chauchat CSRG in 30-06 with a welded plug in the barrel that qualified as a De-mill at the time. The ATF says the reciever must be torch cut in two places if he wants to keep the gun. Can someone tell me what the ATF considers the receiver on the Chauchat (the ATF would not tell me). Also, does anyone have a ball park price of what the parts on this gun are worth, less the reciever (it's complete, no rust, 1917 mfg, with magazine, only dropped once)??

February 16, 2012, 02:19 PM	#5
Willie Lowman Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2009 Location: Uh-Hi-O Posts: 3,006	Put them up for sale in one lot. If that doesn't work, sell pieces. A complete parts kit is worth more to someone who would like to build something from it. If you sell the barrel or something important you may wind up with a pile of small parts nobody wants. __________________ "9mm has a very long history of being a pointy little bullet moving quickly" --Sevens

February 17, 2012, 01:00 PM	#6
ArizonaRick Member Join Date: November 1, 2006 Location: Southern Missouri - Ozarks Posts: 89	OK to sell parts Are there any issues selling the parts on line? Stock, bi-pod, mag, bolt? Are there any states they cannot be shipped to?

February 26, 2012, 11:23 AM	#7
oprod Junior Member Join Date: April 13, 2008 Posts: 13	Chauchat Pm sent last week, no response

February 26, 2012, 10:10 PM	#8
dbar1918 Junior Member Join Date: February 26, 2012 Posts: 1	Chauchat stuff Please send me a PM regarding the Chauchat parts, etc. Dave Stieghan david.stieghan@att,net

February 1, 2012, 06:57 PM	#2
Poodleshooter Senior Member Join Date: August 7, 2000 Location: Floating down the James River in VA Posts: 2,599	Link: http://fullautofun.homestead.com/page36.html scroll down to DEWAT Was this an ATF form 5 papered DEWAT from 1968 or prior, or just an "improperly" demilled gun with no papers at all? If it's on a Form 5, and was registered as a DEWAT MG prior to the 68 amnesty, then it's possible that it can be put on a tax paid Form 1 and reactivated as an MG, since it was already an MG prior to 1986. I'm guessing it's the latter though from what ATF says.

February 1, 2012, 09:17 PM	#3
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	The receiver would be the part that holds the bolt and firing mechanism. I think cutting the receiver in two places and destroying the part between would be adequate, but I am not BATFE. Since they would have to approve any such "demilling", they should be able to say what they would approve and draw a picture. If they can't or won't do that, he should tell whomever he is talking to that he wants an opinion from the Technical Division at BATFE HQ. I have found those folks reasonable, unlike some field agents who have little knowledge of guns and simply like to push people around. I assume the gun is not registered, and they probably feel they are being very nice to allow the gun to be demilled and not just confiscate it. So who has the gun now? I assume BATFE or a PD. What contacts has he had with BATFE? Has BATFE checked their records to be sure it is not registered? Has he looked for registration papers among his grandfather's effects? Jim

February 16, 2012, 02:12 PM	#4
ArizonaRick Member Join Date: November 1, 2006 Location: Southern Missouri - Ozarks Posts: 89	The owner has now torch cut the receiver into many small pieces and has dicarded them. He would like to sell the remaining parts if that is possible. The gun was complete including magazine and bi-pod. What is the best way to sell these parts? Should they be sold as a complete set or piece-meal? Any suggestions would be helpful

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