Return of the derringer? - Page 3

Deja vu · November 9, 2011, 11:55 PM

I like it but they don't fit in my Caliber collection. If they would make one in 357 magnum I would be a lot more attracted to it.

C0untZer0 · November 12, 2011, 05:03 PM

The 45 ACP +P 160gr Barnes, TAC XP is similar ballistically to a 158gr 357 magnum JHP.

You can always get the DoubleTap in .45 and fire the lighter faster loads through it.

mjo2783 · November 13, 2011, 01:00 AM

I have a Cobra 9mm. It is heavier than my LCR 38. Not accurate at all.

C0untZer0 · November 14, 2011, 06:11 PM

Doea anyone have any ideas on the use of Aluminum for the frame instead of Titanium?

I know the Aluminum is way cheaper, it's also a little lighter.

I'm wondering though if an Aluminum frame will hold up in a Derringer...

Andy Griffith · November 14, 2011, 06:37 PM

They'll sell some...but not many.

The price is far too high. It needs to sell for $199.99 at the dealer level- not a penny more. It's also too big, and uses rounds without rims on them. Why?

It has no extractor at present. Every other derringer has a simple extractor that doesn't add any weight or bulk to the gun. A gun without a way to get out the ammunition is useless.

Stressfire · November 14, 2011, 06:38 PM

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I'm wondering though if an Aluminum frame will hold up in a Derringer...

Likely that it would, but not for a very high round count

C0untZer0 · November 14, 2011, 06:47 PM

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Deja vu · November 14, 2011, 09:52 PM

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The 45 ACP +P 160gr Barnes, TAC XP is similar ballistically to a 158gr 357 magnum JHP.

You can always get the DoubleTap in .45 and fire the lighter faster loads through it.

Its not that I don't like 45s... its that I have lots of 357 ammo all ready and I have all the stuff to reload 357 magnum. My father all ways told me to limit the types of ammo you had to have, so I try to do that I have many guns but they are all 45/70 Govt, 357 magnum, 12 ga or 17 HMR (wish I went with the 22 LR here)

blueridgerunner · November 15, 2011, 06:21 PM

Almost eight hundred bucks????

C0untZer0 · November 16, 2011, 12:22 AM

^ I said that about the HK 94.

I just thought it was too expensive.

I so so so much wish I had just bought one. I'm never going to do that again. If I see a neato gun that I want I'm going to buy it.

My only question with the DoubleTap is do I go Aluminum or not... It's not a frame with rails - with the mass of the slide and the recoil spring absorbing most of the energy. I'm wondering if the Aluminum will start to warp or loosen up under the stress.

Marlin009 · November 16, 2011, 07:02 PM

Hmmm, a .45 in a package about the same size as my P380, that's gonna be a little jumpy I think.

Winchester_73 · November 16, 2011, 10:11 PM

The return of derringers? Whoever said derringers went out of style? The only thing I don't like about em is trying to find 30 cal rimfire HPs for SD. I wish Winchester would make rangers SXTs in 30 rimfire. Its also tough to carry extra rounds for single shot guns, so sometimes I pack 2 derringers, quicker reload that way. Other than those issues, carrying a derringer is where its at!

Master Blaster 2 · November 17, 2011, 12:05 AM

Neat .. I have a Buffalo too.

C0untZer0 · November 19, 2011, 09:34 AM

Can anyone tell me how it fires one round and then the other? The firing mechanism isn't clear (to me at least).

I can't see how it fires one round and then the other and it doesn't just fire both rounds at the same time...

banditgriot · November 19, 2011, 10:42 AM

"I can't see how it fires one round and then the other and it doesn't just fire both rounds at the same time..."

I second that...question! Two .45ACP rounds touched off at the same time in a sub-14 oz. gun could kill on both ends of the gun.

Master Blaster 2 · November 19, 2011, 03:01 PM

The firing pin rotates on some (4 BBL) and firing pins alternates on double barrels.

(*_*) · November 22, 2011, 09:53 PM

why so much $$

Crosshair · November 22, 2011, 10:59 PM

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why so much $$

Well anything made of Titanium is going to be expensive because Titanium is hard to work with vs steel and aluminum, so that takes care of the titanium model. Porting costs money as well.

As for the $500 MSRP price of the non-ported aluminum model, the Bond Arms Texas Defender has a MSRP of $405. I'd chalk up the higher price to the need to recoup R&D costs, which the bond has recovered, as well as the higher QC needed as there is less of a safety margin with the smaller/lighter design.

C0untZer0 · November 25, 2011, 01:43 AM

I see it has a front sight, but I don't see where there is a grove in the top of the frame or any rear sights.

I know that "Derringers" are called belly guns, but I'm also thinking that this thing is about the same size as a Rohrbaugh R9 - which has front & rear sights.

How do you aim a pistol that only has a front sight?

Master Blaster 2 · November 25, 2011, 04:26 AM

Love derringers. Can't wait till they start producing them. If they do.
I will buy one.

seeker_two · December 1, 2011, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by C0untZer0

How do you aim a pistol that only has a front sight?

At close range, that's all you need....just put the front sight at 6-o'clock on the target....Jeff Cooper taught that for years.....

Biff Tannen · December 2, 2011, 04:11 AM

The cost of this firearm is high because there are so few in circulation.
It is a specialty item.
Usually, derringers are expensive.. for example, American Derringer makes some of the finest, safest derringers, and yes, the customers pay the price for the reliability, manufacture, and safety.

CONSIDERATIONS:

1- RELIABILITY- the design seems simple enough, so if it goes BANG every time, it is worth it as a self defense firearm

2- MANUFACTURE- if the gun needs repair, does the company honor a warranty? Are there enough parts so that if it needs replacements, will you be able to get them?

3- SAFETY- Do the pins rest on the rounds? If it is dropped, does it fire? That is always a derringer consideration (NAA and American Derringer have taken careful mechanical considerations with respect to safety)

4- IF the companY AND FIREARM ARE DEPENDABLE, then the gun is worth the money to a buyer who needs a reliable BUG or even primary SD piece...

I just may get one if reviews are good. THANKS FOR POSTING THIS!!!

C0untZer0 · December 6, 2011, 03:00 PM

The other cool thing about this is you can get whatever caliber, and you can always just buy the different caliber barrels in the future.

sixgunluv · December 8, 2011, 08:18 PM

Mine goes everywhere I do no matter what the weather or dress. .38Spl +P for carry duty and standard .38spl for practice. I just think it's fun to shoot and it carries like a cell phone. Many complain about triggers and this is a legitimate gripe... i touched mine up so it's around 3.5lbs.
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B.N.Real · December 8, 2011, 08:35 PM

The derringer concept is a very valid one to me but some of the calibers manufacturers have come up with in the modern days are truly astonishing.

I remember seeing one made in 45/70 caliber.

Now there's a gun you need to be a real man to shoot.

You could miss the bad guy and burn him immobile with the powder flash after your palm exploded from the recoil.

November 9, 2011, 11:55 PM	#51
Deja vu Senior Member Join Date: March 14, 2010 Location: Border of Idaho & Montana Posts: 2,584	I like it but they don't fit in my Caliber collection. If they would make one in 357 magnum I would be a lot more attracted to it. __________________ Shot placement is everything! I would rather take a round of 50BMG to the foot than a 22short to the base of the skull. all 26 of my guns are 45/70 govt, 357 mag, 22 or 12 ga... I believe in keeping it simple. Wish my wife did as well...

November 14, 2011, 06:37 PM	#55
Andy Griffith Senior Member Join Date: May 14, 2009 Location: Macon Co. NC Posts: 591	They'll sell some...but not many. The price is far too high. It needs to sell for $199.99 at the dealer level- not a penny more. It's also too big, and uses rounds without rims on them. Why? It has no extractor at present. Every other derringer has a simple extractor that doesn't add any weight or bulk to the gun. A gun without a way to get out the ammunition is useless. __________________ Barney Fife: "Nip it, nip it, nip it!" Andy Griffith:"Oh now Barn'...."

November 15, 2011, 06:21 PM	#59
blueridgerunner Member Join Date: March 23, 2010 Posts: 27	Almost eight hundred bucks???? __________________ Those who live by the sword will be shot by those who don't!

November 16, 2011, 10:11 PM	#62
Winchester_73 Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2008 Location: Pittsburgh PA Posts: 2,863	The return? But they never went away! The return of derringers? Whoever said derringers went out of style? The only thing I don't like about em is trying to find 30 cal rimfire HPs for SD. I wish Winchester would make rangers SXTs in 30 rimfire. Its also tough to carry extra rounds for single shot guns, so sometimes I pack 2 derringers, quicker reload that way. Other than those issues, carrying a derringer is where its at! __________________ Winchester 73, the TFL user that won the west

December 2, 2011, 04:11 AM	#72
Biff Tannen Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2010 Location: Hill Valley Posts: 265	Reliability, manufacture, safety... ? If positive, i want one! The cost of this firearm is high because there are so few in circulation. It is a specialty item. Usually, derringers are expensive.. for example, American Derringer makes some of the finest, safest derringers, and yes, the customers pay the price for the reliability, manufacture, and safety. CONSIDERATIONS: 1- RELIABILITY- the design seems simple enough, so if it goes BANG every time, it is worth it as a self defense firearm 2- MANUFACTURE- if the gun needs repair, does the company honor a warranty? Are there enough parts so that if it needs replacements, will you be able to get them? 3- SAFETY- Do the pins rest on the rounds? If it is dropped, does it fire? That is always a derringer consideration (NAA and American Derringer have taken careful mechanical considerations with respect to safety) 4- IF the companY AND FIREARM ARE DEPENDABLE, then the gun is worth the money to a buyer who needs a reliable BUG or even primary SD piece... I just may get one if reviews are good. THANKS FOR POSTING THIS!!! __________________ - BIFF TANNEN - The great-grandson of Buford "Mad Dog" Tannen. Last edited by Biff Tannen; December 2, 2011 at 05:23 AM.

November 12, 2011, 05:03 PM	#52
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	The 45 ACP +P 160gr Barnes, TAC XP is similar ballistically to a 158gr 357 magnum JHP. You can always get the DoubleTap in .45 and fire the lighter faster loads through it.

November 13, 2011, 01:00 AM	#53
mjo2783 Junior Member Join Date: November 13, 2011 Posts: 1	I have a Cobra 9mm. It is heavier than my LCR 38. Not accurate at all.

November 14, 2011, 06:11 PM	#54
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	Doea anyone have any ideas on the use of Aluminum for the frame instead of Titanium? I know the Aluminum is way cheaper, it's also a little lighter. I'm wondering though if an Aluminum frame will hold up in a Derringer...

November 16, 2011, 12:22 AM	#60
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	^ I said that about the HK 94. I just thought it was too expensive. I so so so much wish I had just bought one. I'm never going to do that again. If I see a neato gun that I want I'm going to buy it. My only question with the DoubleTap is do I go Aluminum or not... It's not a frame with rails - with the mass of the slide and the recoil spring absorbing most of the energy. I'm wondering if the Aluminum will start to warp or loosen up under the stress.

November 16, 2011, 07:02 PM	#61
Marlin009 Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 187	Hmmm, a .45 in a package about the same size as my P380, that's gonna be a little jumpy I think.

November 17, 2011, 12:05 AM	#63
Master Blaster 2 Junior member Join Date: May 29, 2011 Posts: 895	Neat .. I have a Buffalo too.

November 19, 2011, 09:34 AM	#64
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	Can anyone tell me how it fires one round and then the other? The firing mechanism isn't clear (to me at least). I can't see how it fires one round and then the other and it doesn't just fire both rounds at the same time...

November 19, 2011, 10:42 AM	#65
banditgriot Senior Member Join Date: June 26, 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 132	"I can't see how it fires one round and then the other and it doesn't just fire both rounds at the same time..." I second that...question! Two .45ACP rounds touched off at the same time in a sub-14 oz. gun could kill on both ends of the gun.

November 19, 2011, 03:01 PM	#66
Master Blaster 2 Junior member Join Date: May 29, 2011 Posts: 895	The firing pin rotates on some (4 BBL) and firing pins alternates on double barrels.

November 22, 2011, 09:53 PM	#67
(_) Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2011 Location: AL Posts: 160	why so much $$

November 25, 2011, 01:43 AM	#69
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	I see it has a front sight, but I don't see where there is a grove in the top of the frame or any rear sights. I know that "Derringers" are called belly guns, but I'm also thinking that this thing is about the same size as a Rohrbaugh R9 - which has front & rear sights. How do you aim a pistol that only has a front sight?

November 25, 2011, 04:26 AM	#70
Master Blaster 2 Junior member Join Date: May 29, 2011 Posts: 895	Love derringers. Can't wait till they start producing them. If they do. I will buy one.

December 6, 2011, 03:00 PM	#73
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	The other cool thing about this is you can get whatever caliber, and you can always just buy the different caliber barrels in the future.

December 8, 2011, 08:18 PM	#74
sixgunluv Senior Member Join Date: February 4, 2008 Posts: 200	Derringers Mine goes everywhere I do no matter what the weather or dress. .38Spl +P for carry duty and standard .38spl for practice. I just think it's fun to shoot and it carries like a cell phone. Many complain about triggers and this is a legitimate gripe... i touched mine up so it's around 3.5lbs. [IMG][/IMG] Last edited by sixgunluv; December 8, 2011 at 08:24 PM.

December 8, 2011, 08:35 PM	#75
B.N.Real Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2008 Posts: 4,092	The derringer concept is a very valid one to me but some of the calibers manufacturers have come up with in the modern days are truly astonishing. I remember seeing one made in 45/70 caliber. Now there's a gun you need to be a real man to shoot. You could miss the bad guy and burn him immobile with the powder flash after your palm exploded from the recoil.

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