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December 18, 2012, 10:31 AM | #76 | ||
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I ran across the following a few minutes ago.
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That was actually after the Moore V Madigan ruling I think but it applies here too.
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December 18, 2012, 10:42 AM | #78 |
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Some people think the 2nd amendment applies to a well-regulated militia. Can't imagine where that idea comes from.
Some people think the 2nd amendment allows women to carry concealed guns. Can't imagine where that idea comes from either. Do you suppose the 2nd amendment should be rewritten instead of being reinterpreted?
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@ Blue: I wouldn't trust our Government to "Re Write" the 2A....if it ain't broke don't fix it.
There is a reason the anti gun types have not in recent history pushed for an amendment which repeals the 2A. They wouldn't have the votes in congress and would never get 3/4 of the states to ratify it.
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December 18, 2012, 10:54 AM | #80 |
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Nate the posted conversation clearly illustrates the attitude of the anti-gun crowd. That it is a self-righteous and condescending Brit taking the anti-gun side is interesting. That "we know better" attitude is exactly what we are dealing with when it comes to those who would ultimately take all weapons from civilians.
As has been said a number of times in this thread, I too morn for the loss of innocent lives taken by troubled men, and I agree with Tyme that if some sort of reasonable compromise could be reached that would prevent this kind of tragedy I would support it. I will say it once more: This is not about high capacity magazines or specific guns, it is about control; and, for that reason it is ultimately about freedom.
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December 18, 2012, 11:47 AM | #81 | |
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By that "need" argument, no privately automobile should be capable of going faster than 55 m.p.h. , or have more seating capacity than the owner's household. If you let "need" be a requirement and Government be the arbiter of that "need", then Liberty is as dead as King Tut. Such a notion should be killed, and with fire. |
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December 18, 2012, 12:07 PM | #82 | |
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4. Because being illegal obviously isn't enough to stop the people who inevitably fall through the cracks, every home in America will be required to house at least one member of the military who will periodically go through all of your belongings and tear apart your home and hearth looking for proof you are violating these new laws, or any of the old ones. If he finds anything, you will be incarcerated without a trial. Because this could very well be unpopular with pot-smokers and others, there will be no discussion of this practice by private individuals or news media. Now we've gotten rid of those other pesky bill of rights amendments. |
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December 18, 2012, 12:30 PM | #83 |
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Another WH Pole
I received this in an email from Buds Gunshop.
I apologize if it has already been posted. I have not had the time to read through all 4 pages. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...PR#thank-you=p Excuse me, petition, not pole. |
December 18, 2012, 12:36 PM | #84 |
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Just saw the closed petition thread...my bad.
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December 18, 2012, 12:45 PM | #85 |
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So, just what is it that the antis calling for compromise are giving up?
I keep hearing that they want to pass laws and ask for concessions "in the spirit of compromise." So what exactly is it that is being compromised by the other side? I'm willing to compromise, but the idea of a good compromise is for neither side to be happy in equal amounts. Gun owner groups are consistently accused of being all-or-nothing. Why doesn't it go both ways? In the media spotlight, anti groups are always wanting to compromise, but they are just as "all-or-nothing" as we are supposed to be.
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Lawdog had an entertaining (yet so very true!) post on "Compromise" and "Sensible Gun Control Restrictions" ....
http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2...-ill-play.html Read the whole thing, particularly the response to the last question: Quote:
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Want to ban magazines over 10 rounds? OK. Let's cut OSHA's budget in half? What? If you want your ban, each side has to give something! You want to ban all the rifles on this list? OK. Let's lower the Federal speed limit back to 55. Hey, if it only saves one life. Where are you going?
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Perhaps it's too soon to be saying this, but I'm really looking for a gun rights org or politician to stand up and lead in public against the anti-gun crowd. Perhaps the NRA's apparent strategy of trying to wait the worst anti-gun sentiment out isn't entirely ill-advised, but what about when the next mass shooting comes, or the one after that? For days, the anti-gun side has gotten all of the play, the treacherous, supposedly pro-gun turncoats all of the headlines. The anti-gun crowd is in motion, and I want to see our guys on TV, in the papers, wherever, making our case to the public, convincing those on the fence that the trampling of our liberties won't be tolerated.
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December 18, 2012, 01:26 PM | #91 |
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I have issues with some of his answers, but overall a decent post.
Accidental discharges can and do happen. Some AR-15's have been known to slam fire. Parts break. Little nubbins that do important things wear down. That's why you use a safety but don't rely on it. The important thing is to use the rules for safe gun handling to make sure it's just a scary second, not a tragedy. Background checks don't infringe on my rights, and I'm not averse to them. |
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I think there should be a hard definition on what is in "common use" and allow that, which would include standard capacity mags (the designed capicity, not the misnomer the antis put out) and also firearms such as AR's Glocks etc.
Trying to restrict that, would basically put us back to basically traditionally hunting type firearms, and well, I have never seen hunting linked to the second amendment, except by the anti's, since the second amendment deals with defense of oneself, community, and country from my reading of it. If they take away the firearms in common use for defense, its going to be easy to ban the non-protected hunting type firearms. |
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I'd like to see a revolver enthusiast gather up several speed loaders and make a video showing just how may rounds they can send downrange. Aside from most (if not all, I'm not into them yet maybe) black powder pistols being single action, I imagine they're almost as fast.
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December 18, 2012, 01:54 PM | #94 |
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So they will ban speedloaders. I've seen this argument before. See I can shoot my revolver fast - well, then you don't need that.
The average gun fight as only two shots fired. Everything banned but derringers? Bolt guns will become sniper rifles. Shotguns will fill a room with death. Why do you need to shoot 8 or 9 pellets each equivalent to a 9mm rouind at one time? Can't you defend your house with rock salt rounds?
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I would rather ban high capacity magazines than the weapons themselves.
However, what we will see is a ban on both. California - USA here we come. |
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To quote Lawdog, and I completely agree while chuckling at that.
This pretty much sums it all up IMO. Quote:
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Should blood alchohol tests be required on all ignition systems of motor vehichles?
Should you be required to go to the doctors office or ER to consume any medication from aspirin on up? Should everyone with a backyard pool be required to hire a full time lifeguard? Should every family of four be required to undergo cholesterol and blood sugar testing before going to a Red Lobster? And then take along a licensed nutritionist for the trip to advise and consent to their entree choices? Should we ban the pill because it causes increased Stroke risk? All of these are much more likely to cause your or my death than a shooting. All of those activities are more relevant to their cause than a hi-cap magazine is on a shooting spree. Edit: OK maybe not the one about the pill... |
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Well, I did go to the LGS to check on mags. There was a pretty good crowd but there was not a run on mags.
I picked up 2 each for an XDM, G21,G30, G17, G19 and SP-01. I also checked with the guy I bought my safe from on the .223. The guy had one case left. I walked away with 1000 rds for $430. Not a bad deal in this area. When I bought my safe two weeks ago, he had a couple of pallets of .223 and 9mm. He sold all the 9mm and most of the .223 at the big gun show. He has more coming but his cost has risen a lot but has not yet doubled. The storm clouds are brewing and it is going to be a blow.
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Think not? Well, when only hunting rifles are readily available, or only skeet guns, etc, etc and they are used to kill children, shoot up the mall, whatever they will be the next evil instrument of death that needs banning. Also, take a real close look at the main voices of the anti-gun politicians and major donors. Are we really going to let a tiny minority of millionaires and billionaires, who have 24/7 armed guards, tell us plebs that we don't need weapons? We the people of the United States, as free citizens, deserve no less, than the current Service Rifles of our Nation as our individual weapons, if we so choose to own one. Sadly we have already largely given up that right, thanks mainly to the Hughes Amendment. Let us not give away what we have now and the gains we have made since the dark days of 1994.
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