Are there ar15s (mechanisms) in wooden stocks?

Husqvarna · July 12, 2013, 01:21 PM

Are there ar15s (mechanisms) in wooden stocks? making it resemble a more classic hunting rifle?

It is plenty popular to change stocks for a bunch of bolt actions and semis but is there a market for the same thing but with ar15s or does the design make that impossible?

alex0535 · July 12, 2013, 01:29 PM

Yes, and unless I read it from someone that was making it up, these rifles began with wood furniture in their early development.

http://ironwooddesigns.com/IWDAR15.html

Husqvarna · July 12, 2013, 02:34 PM

very nice but it is still the basic configuration with handguard, pistol grip and buttstock.

I was more looking for something that totally changed the look of it. like people seem to do with mini14s or whatnot. slipping the whole action/mechanism into a complete stock

Dfariswheel · July 12, 2013, 07:04 PM

Due to the upper and lower receiver design that's not going to be something that would work out well.

To fit around the lower, the wood would have to be extremely thick, and very deep.
Imagine a wood shroud that would cover the lower receiver. It would have to be so bulky, no one would want it.
It could probably be done, but I suspect there would be no market for it due to weight/bulk/appearance.

Nickel Plated · July 13, 2013, 06:01 AM

So get rid of the lower and upper altogether. A complete wood stock with a sheet metal inner frame to fit the trigger components and a more classically styled upper to hold the barrel and BCG that fits into the wood stock.

Totally doable, not particularly complicated. Just a bunch of parts to fabricate.

The only issue I see is the AR bolt carrier travels directly backwards, intot he straight AR stock. Whereas most classic rifle stocks are angled downward in relation to the bolt. So it would take some design work to figure out where the bolt goes when cycling. Though there's ways to deal with that.

Husqvarna · May 3, 2014, 03:58 PM

so when does the first really nice wooden stock for this get made?

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...remington-700/

sexy rifle IMO

Gbnk82 · May 4, 2014, 11:31 PM

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sexy rifle IMO

Really?!?!?

if you ask me I thought that was one of the absolute ugliest rifles made..I remember seeing the pic a little while ago when they where announced I thought wow it almost looks like someone tryed to take a mosin Nagant and make it look tacticool..but we all are entitled to our own opinions

Madcap_Magician · May 5, 2014, 09:05 AM

Turnbull makes a gorgeous AR-15 with wood furniture and case-color hardened upper/lower receiver metal parts.

g.willikers · May 5, 2014, 09:18 AM

If the looks of an AR is objectionable, what's wrong with a Ruger Mini?
Doesn't it fit the description, without further effort?

DPris · May 5, 2014, 10:50 AM

There are two-piece wood replacements for the standard AR furniture, but you won't see a one-piece, for the reasons D laid out above.
It's built the way it is for a reason.
Denis

Husqvarna · May 6, 2014, 12:08 PM

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Really?!?!?

yeah for sure.

bear in mind I live in Sweden were ar15s are still very uncommon, you can't get them on regular hunting licenses, not even that configuration.

I am a sportshooter to so I have gotten to shoot a few of my buddies ipsc guns but even that is very very uncommon (big hassle to get such a license)

I am kidna in the "it looks like a toy" category

TDL · May 14, 2014, 11:15 PM

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Really?!?!? if you ask me I thought that was one of the absolute ugliest rifles made..I remember seeing the pic a little while ago when they where announced I thought wow it almost looks like someone tryed to take a mosin Nagant and make it look tacticool..but we all are entitled to our own opinions

Actually, from the specs it seems like it would be a heck of a lot more capable, functional and accurate than a mini 14. I bet it is an enormous seller in ban states.

I am getting at least one

tahunua001 · May 16, 2014, 08:09 PM

yes I used to own one, the wood didn't hold up very well so I went with more "traditional" plastic furniture.

Crankylove · May 17, 2014, 12:05 AM

Tahunua, how much weight difference was there between the wood furniture and the plastic you switched to?

tahunua001 · May 17, 2014, 09:47 PM

actually it's about the same.

Duzell · May 18, 2014, 12:43 AM

it should be, it looks like a laminate stock , which is lightweight usually, but durable as heck

tahunua001 · May 18, 2014, 11:59 AM

normally it would be durable but in order to fit an AR the durability is compromised by shape. the stock has to be hollowed out to fit the buffer tube, leaving less that 1/4" thick in places. the buttstock developed a split running from the receiver about halfway down the buffer tube because there just wasn't enough of it to hold itself together. the pistol grip was solid but the handguards also had to be thin in several spots to add that "heat bubble" around the barrel and to fit the delta ring. the lips that lock into the delta ring broke off and one of the handguard halves began stripping off layers of laminate. keep in mind that this is a 9mm AR and I don't normally do mag dumps or rapid fire with it. a 223 would likely generate more heat and reduce the life of the handguards even faster.

nc-oldfart · May 19, 2014, 02:52 PM

For the guy that has to have wood on a AR
http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/subgrouping.htm?cat=6237

July 12, 2013, 01:21 PM	#1
Husqvarna Senior Member Join Date: May 7, 2012 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,000	Are there ar15s (mechanisms) in wooden stocks? Are there ar15s (mechanisms) in wooden stocks? making it resemble a more classic hunting rifle? It is plenty popular to change stocks for a bunch of bolt actions and semis but is there a market for the same thing but with ar15s or does the design make that impossible?

May 5, 2014, 09:18 AM	#9
g.willikers Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 10,442	If the looks of an AR is objectionable, what's wrong with a Ruger Mini? Doesn't it fit the description, without further effort? __________________ Walt Kelly, alias Pogo, sez: “Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent.”

May 16, 2014, 08:09 PM	#13
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 7,839	yes I used to own one, the wood didn't hold up very well so I went with more "traditional" plastic furniture. __________________ ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar. I never said half the stuff people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin

May 17, 2014, 12:05 AM	#14
Crankylove Senior Member Join Date: July 8, 2008 Location: 8B ID Posts: 1,753	Tahunua, how much weight difference was there between the wood furniture and the plastic you switched to? __________________ The answer to 1984 is 1776

May 17, 2014, 09:47 PM	#15
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 7,839	actually it's about the same. __________________ ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar. I never said half the stuff people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin

July 12, 2013, 01:29 PM	#2
alex0535 Senior Member Join Date: November 4, 2012 Location: Georgia Posts: 908	Yes, and unless I read it from someone that was making it up, these rifles began with wood furniture in their early development. http://ironwooddesigns.com/IWDAR15.html

July 12, 2013, 02:34 PM	#3
Husqvarna Senior Member Join Date: May 7, 2012 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,000	very nice but it is still the basic configuration with handguard, pistol grip and buttstock. I was more looking for something that totally changed the look of it. like people seem to do with mini14s or whatnot. slipping the whole action/mechanism into a complete stock

July 12, 2013, 07:04 PM	#4
Dfariswheel Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2001 Posts: 7,478	Due to the upper and lower receiver design that's not going to be something that would work out well. To fit around the lower, the wood would have to be extremely thick, and very deep. Imagine a wood shroud that would cover the lower receiver. It would have to be so bulky, no one would want it. It could probably be done, but I suspect there would be no market for it due to weight/bulk/appearance.

July 13, 2013, 06:01 AM	#5
Nickel Plated Senior Member Join Date: January 17, 2010 Location: Brooklyn, NYC Posts: 610	So get rid of the lower and upper altogether. A complete wood stock with a sheet metal inner frame to fit the trigger components and a more classically styled upper to hold the barrel and BCG that fits into the wood stock. Totally doable, not particularly complicated. Just a bunch of parts to fabricate. The only issue I see is the AR bolt carrier travels directly backwards, intot he straight AR stock. Whereas most classic rifle stocks are angled downward in relation to the bolt. So it would take some design work to figure out where the bolt goes when cycling. Though there's ways to deal with that.

May 3, 2014, 03:58 PM	#6
Husqvarna Senior Member Join Date: May 7, 2012 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,000	so when does the first really nice wooden stock for this get made? http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...remington-700/ sexy rifle IMO

May 5, 2014, 09:05 AM	#8
Madcap_Magician Senior Member Join Date: August 13, 2009 Location: MN Posts: 668	Turnbull makes a gorgeous AR-15 with wood furniture and case-color hardened upper/lower receiver metal parts.

May 5, 2014, 10:50 AM	#10
DPris Member Emeritus Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 7,133	There are two-piece wood replacements for the standard AR furniture, but you won't see a one-piece, for the reasons D laid out above. It's built the way it is for a reason. Denis

May 18, 2014, 12:43 AM	#16
Duzell Senior Member Join Date: October 30, 2011 Location: Monterey Posts: 803	it should be, it looks like a laminate stock , which is lightweight usually, but durable as heck __________________ Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism. -GW

May 18, 2014, 11:59 AM	#17
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 7,839	normally it would be durable but in order to fit an AR the durability is compromised by shape. the stock has to be hollowed out to fit the buffer tube, leaving less that 1/4" thick in places. the buttstock developed a split running from the receiver about halfway down the buffer tube because there just wasn't enough of it to hold itself together. the pistol grip was solid but the handguards also had to be thin in several spots to add that "heat bubble" around the barrel and to fit the delta ring. the lips that lock into the delta ring broke off and one of the handguard halves began stripping off layers of laminate. keep in mind that this is a 9mm AR and I don't normally do mag dumps or rapid fire with it. a 223 would likely generate more heat and reduce the life of the handguards even faster. __________________ ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar. I never said half the stuff people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin

May 19, 2014, 02:52 PM	#18
nc-oldfart Senior Member Join Date: April 2, 2014 Posts: 155	For the guy that has to have wood on a AR http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/subgrouping.htm?cat=6237