PPK stovepiping

abber · June 9, 2011, 09:32 AM

First, I would like to make sure I am using the right term. What I perceive stovepiping to be, is an unfired round pointing straight up from the ejection port. Feel free to correct me on this. I have a buddy that says stovepiping is an empty round doing the same thing, one being a FTF, the other being an FTE.

Anyway, I have had this Walther PPK for several years, and in spite of its reputation, it is the least reliable gun I have. I can only count on round #1. After that it is a crap shoot as to whether I'll get any more shots without clearing the (FTF) stovepipe jam. I keep it mainly because I have been too lazy to deal with it.

Any suggestions? I am going to sell it as defective to whoever wants to take a chance, but not until I have at least tried a few things to get it working. I can do simple smith work such as replacing just about any part, or polishing parts, or whatever. Just looking for a concensus as to what direction to look in.

Thanks friends, and happy shooting.

EEL92fs · June 9, 2011, 09:55 AM

A stovepipe as I know is an empty case stuck straight up after you shoot. I have never had a live round do this but I guess it would be called the samething. With a live round doing it is it after you shoot and the next round does not chamber? or is this when you strip the first round of a Mag and the round does not go in the chamber?

mete · June 9, 2011, 02:03 PM

Have you tried it with another magazine ? Have you tried different ammo ? These are the first steps before you condemn it.

DnPRK · June 9, 2011, 02:21 PM

Your cartridge indicator pin is probably gummed up with dirt and won't allow the cartridge to move into battery. Its a common problem.

Remove the slide, detail strip it, clean, lube and reassemble.

44 Deerslayer · June 9, 2011, 05:16 PM

DnPRK said "Your cartridge indicator pin is probably gummed up with dirt and won't allow the cartridge to move into battery. Its a common problem."

I agree, the cartridge has to slide under the extractor and push the indicator pin back at the same time. If the pin is sticking the cartridge won't go all the way under the extractor and will pop loose as it tries to enter the chamber.

James K · June 9, 2011, 06:31 PM

The loaded chamber indicator could cause the problem, but I think it is more likely to be the magazine lips releasing the round too soon.

FWIW, the "signalstift" is not pushed back by the round coming up; it is lifted by the round, but then when the round chambers, the indicator's front end rests on the chamber edge not on the cartridge base.

Jim

44 Deerslayer · June 9, 2011, 08:09 PM

You're right Jim. I just checked my PPK, cartridge lifts the pin. It would have to be pretty cruddy to be stuck in the down position, although possible. Bad magazine is just as likely a cause.

triggerman770 · June 9, 2011, 10:13 PM

this will cause a stir.. the single most problems with PP's and PPk's coming in to my shop is limpwristing. had 6 this year of six brought in. don't remember last years, but all results the same. these little guns are really

dependent on a firm grip to recoil against.

steve1589 · June 9, 2011, 10:54 PM

yep, limpwristing can cause jams in blowback actions. Get hold of it like it's a rattlesnake and you are trying to keep it from biting you.

June 9, 2011, 02:03 PM	#3
mete Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: NY State Posts: 6,575	Have you tried it with another magazine ? Have you tried different ammo ? These are the first steps before you condemn it. __________________ And Watson , bring your revolver !

June 9, 2011, 05:16 PM	#5
44 Deerslayer Senior Member Join Date: July 23, 2005 Location: MN Posts: 337	DnPRK said "Your cartridge indicator pin is probably gummed up with dirt and won't allow the cartridge to move into battery. Its a common problem." I agree, the cartridge has to slide under the extractor and push the indicator pin back at the same time. If the pin is sticking the cartridge won't go all the way under the extractor and will pop loose as it tries to enter the chamber. __________________ Ron NRA Life Member

June 9, 2011, 08:09 PM	#7
44 Deerslayer Senior Member Join Date: July 23, 2005 Location: MN Posts: 337	You're right Jim. I just checked my PPK, cartridge lifts the pin. It would have to be pretty cruddy to be stuck in the down position, although possible. Bad magazine is just as likely a cause. __________________ Ron NRA Life Member

June 9, 2011, 10:13 PM	#8
triggerman770 Senior Member Join Date: August 9, 2009 Location: Metro Atlanta Area Posts: 125	Stovepiping this will cause a stir.. the single most problems with PP's and PPk's coming in to my shop is limpwristing. had 6 this year of six brought in. don't remember last years, but all results the same. these little guns are really dependent on a firm grip to recoil against. __________________ Small Arms Restoration, Inc. smallarmsrestoration.net Proud member of Georgia Carry.org www.georgiacarry.org

June 9, 2011, 09:32 AM	#1
abber Senior Member Join Date: January 15, 2008 Location: PRK Posts: 735	PPK stovepiping First, I would like to make sure I am using the right term. What I perceive stovepiping to be, is an unfired round pointing straight up from the ejection port. Feel free to correct me on this. I have a buddy that says stovepiping is an empty round doing the same thing, one being a FTF, the other being an FTE. Anyway, I have had this Walther PPK for several years, and in spite of its reputation, it is the least reliable gun I have. I can only count on round #1. After that it is a crap shoot as to whether I'll get any more shots without clearing the (FTF) stovepipe jam. I keep it mainly because I have been too lazy to deal with it. Any suggestions? I am going to sell it as defective to whoever wants to take a chance, but not until I have at least tried a few things to get it working. I can do simple smith work such as replacing just about any part, or polishing parts, or whatever. Just looking for a concensus as to what direction to look in. Thanks friends, and happy shooting. __________________ I ain't got no safe queens. I shoots em all...

June 9, 2011, 09:55 AM	#2
EEL92fs Senior Member Join Date: July 10, 2007 Location: Dayton OH Posts: 155	A stovepipe as I know is an empty case stuck straight up after you shoot. I have never had a live round do this but I guess it would be called the samething. With a live round doing it is it after you shoot and the next round does not chamber? or is this when you strip the first round of a Mag and the round does not go in the chamber?

June 9, 2011, 02:21 PM	#4
DnPRK Senior Member Join Date: August 24, 2001 Location: LC, Ca Posts: 1,917	Your cartridge indicator pin is probably gummed up with dirt and won't allow the cartridge to move into battery. Its a common problem. Remove the slide, detail strip it, clean, lube and reassemble.

June 9, 2011, 06:31 PM	#6
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	The loaded chamber indicator could cause the problem, but I think it is more likely to be the magazine lips releasing the round too soon. FWIW, the "signalstift" is not pushed back by the round coming up; it is lifted by the round, but then when the round chambers, the indicator's front end rests on the chamber edge not on the cartridge base. Jim

June 9, 2011, 10:54 PM	#9
steve1589 Member Join Date: December 12, 2005 Posts: 55	yep, limpwristing can cause jams in blowback actions. Get hold of it like it's a rattlesnake and you are trying to keep it from biting you.