Up close and personal weapon: The Tomahawk?

Doug.38PR · January 28, 2006, 09:27 PM

Watching the movie The Patriot earlier today on TNT got me to thinking, that and growing up having watch Fess Parker handle a Tomahawk.

Wouldn't a sort of tomahawk be a good up close and personal weapon to conceal on you if you ever ran out of ammo and had to get up close and personal. Go Mel Gibson on the redcoats.

Guess this is sort of a sequel to my roll of quarters in a sock thread that everyone seems to love

Denny Hansen · January 28, 2006, 09:55 PM

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Wouldn't a sort of tomahawk be a good up close and personal weapon to conceal on you if you ever ran out of ammo and had to get up close and personal.

A good fixed blade knife would be even easier. Some folks have even had the novel idea of carrying a reload or even a second gun!

Denny

Nightdiver · January 29, 2006, 12:01 AM

Tomahawk?? No thanks. I'll stick with my S&W HRT. I carry it right behind my 2 spare magazines.

riverkeeper · January 29, 2006, 12:17 AM

Just google and read a few pages on:
Koppo Stick

BigFunWMU · January 29, 2006, 03:06 AM

If I was going to carry a non-gun as a weapon, I think I would like something a lil more "stabby" than a tomahawk. Reason is, if the gun is no longer an option, it will be because I am grappling with the BG. I won't be able to swing something very well then either.

Twycross · January 29, 2006, 11:29 AM

I'm with the knife crowd. The basic disadvantage of a tomahawk is that it requires a swing to build up enough momentum to do damage. A knife is much more convenient, and also more concealable.

Not that you have to conceal a knife.

bp78 · January 29, 2006, 12:08 PM

Apparently some of our soliders in Iraq second your idea on the use of an ax:
http://www.theothersideofkim.com/index.php/tos/8991/

festergrump · January 29, 2006, 02:56 PM

Here's a link to an interesting article on using tomahawk (in PDF format). It's a small file and worthy of a look, anyway...

http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/cssto.../tomahawks.pdf

The British Soldier · January 29, 2006, 03:12 PM

As a former 'redcoat', as soon as I saw the tomohawk coming out I'd have put a rather large ball straight through your chest courtesy of my musket.

coolridelude · January 29, 2006, 03:54 PM

i use a tomahawk when i go camping. good for cutting wood, throwing, defense. but in the city i carry a spyderco knife.

Hard Ball · January 29, 2006, 04:47 PM

As they used to say in the 1800s "Give me a knife like Bowie;s."

raydbonz · January 29, 2006, 06:24 PM

The guy who runs one of the top shooting schools in the country keeps a tomahawk in his vehicle. If you are ever trapped inside or under water & need to break out the windshield, it's a great tool. If someone reaches into the vehicle, it would also serve to dissuade them if you lopped off a hand!

And, they are "camping gear", legal everywhere. Probably even in Kalifornia!

CraigJS · January 29, 2006, 08:06 PM

Certain groups in Nam like the Gerber model "tomahawk".

txray22 · January 29, 2006, 08:10 PM

Not legal in Texas

Sir William · January 30, 2006, 04:33 AM

If it is up close, I am a bare handed supporter. "Empty" hand combat inflicts physical damage, pain control points and a palm to the nostrils will be of better effect.

Weeg · January 30, 2006, 05:24 AM

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pain control points and a palm to the nostrils will be of better effect.

Assuming the other dude lets you...Sort of like how all of Jean-Claude Van Damm's opponents just wait, with their hands down, for him to kick them in the face?

Mikeyboy · January 30, 2006, 12:21 PM

Ohhh I can't remember the name of the show on the History Channel, but it was a bald guy with a British accent talking about various weapons and tactics...anyway an axe or a hatchet is a good weapon, however it takes a lot of energy to use it, so if you don't get the BG in the first couple of swings, or if your fighting multiple guys your going to get worn out. Stabbing takes less effort, that why the little Romans did so well.

P.S. Combat...that is the name of the series.

STAGE 2 · January 30, 2006, 12:28 PM

You guys can have your fu man chu and pocket knives and I'll stick with my CQC hawk.

SamD · January 31, 2006, 01:01 AM

Knives are preferable most of the time, but for offensive use, I do prefer a hatchet. 1 1/4lb Plumb Official BSA model. Don't care for a 'hawk, too thin.

Sam

Limeyfellow · January 31, 2006, 08:19 AM

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Ohhh I can't remember the name of the show on the History Channel, but it was a bald guy with a British accent talking about various weapons and tactics

The show was called Conquest and the History Channel are too mean to show it again or put it out on video or dvd despite the request of hundreds if not thousands of people. The gits. But they always there with the tripe shows ready on dvd for $25 a pop. Rant complete.

Yes axes make very good weapons if you are practiced in using them and usually have the strength to back up the blow. I used to use them when re-enacting saxon and viking combat. Neat little buggers.

Mikeyboy · January 31, 2006, 11:16 AM

Limeyfellow...+1 your correct...Good show...they did everything from sword fighting to SWAT tactics. Real interesting.

The axe one was real funny and scary. He basically showed why the Vikings did so well by giving a guy a real sword (probably not fully sharp) and a wooden shield, then he picked up an real axe (again not real sharp) and said "Ready" and he proceeded to attack this poor guy. All the guy could do was cower and soil himself as this maniac literally went berzerker on him until his shield broke. The guy is brilliant but nuts.

P.S I agree...while I love History Channel shows...they are a greedy bunch

gordo b. · January 31, 2006, 08:48 PM

"Certain groups in Nam like the Gerber model "tomahawk"."

Actually it was from a company called W.A.K. and they were 1/4" thick stamped out and hardened blackened spring steel with a riveted slabbed brown grip material. I brought one back from Nam in 1970. My kids eventually destroyed it in mid 80's. I rewelded back together and gave it away in mid 90s.
An all steel small Swedish fire axe is actually the hot hook up for mayhem,and Yes as a safety device they ARE legal in your vehicle in Kali.(unless you are a bad guy).The court defense on using one to defend yourself, if you had held your mouth right, would be MUCH more defensible than a knife or gun, actually. It being a convienent safety tool and all you were lucky enough to have at hand!A proper axe attack is very hard to defend against(ask Jason's victims!) it knocks away knives and such.

Musketeer · January 31, 2006, 09:12 PM

I have a last resort edged weapon stashed in the house that combines the benifits of knife and tomahawk.

The Kukri.

http://www.coldsteel.com/fixed-blades-gurkhas.html

Mine isn't as pretty but is equally no-nonsense

http://www.atlantacutlery.com/websto...a%20Kukri.aspx

kozak6 · January 31, 2006, 11:22 PM

I don't know, I'd have to say I'm more of a pike kind of guy.

Hard Ball · January 31, 2006, 11:41 PM

How about a halbred? Now theres an Axe!

January 28, 2006, 09:27 PM	#1
Doug.38PR Junior member Join Date: January 18, 2005 Posts: 3,298	Up close and personal weapon: The Tomahawk? Watching the movie The Patriot earlier today on TNT got me to thinking, that and growing up having watch Fess Parker handle a Tomahawk. Wouldn't a sort of tomahawk be a good up close and personal weapon to conceal on you if you ever ran out of ammo and had to get up close and personal. Go Mel Gibson on the redcoats. Guess this is sort of a sequel to my roll of quarters in a sock thread that everyone seems to love

January 29, 2006, 12:01 AM	#3
Nightdiver Junior Member Join Date: January 18, 2006 Location: North Central Texas Posts: 11	Tomahawk?? No thanks. I'll stick with my S&W HRT. I carry it right behind my 2 spare magazines. __________________ Nightdiver Has it been said so often that violence isn't the answer to everything that we have come to believe it is the answer to nothing?

January 29, 2006, 12:17 AM	#4
riverkeeper Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 2004 Location: Tacoma, Washington Posts: 214	Just google and read a few pages on: Koppo Stick __________________ "A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." -- Bertrand de Jouvenel ........ 'All the wooly-headed thinking explains the happy howling.' -- r

January 29, 2006, 03:06 AM	#5
BigFunWMU Senior Member Join Date: April 26, 2005 Posts: 304	If I was going to carry a non-gun as a weapon, I think I would like something a lil more "stabby" than a tomahawk. Reason is, if the gun is no longer an option, it will be because I am grappling with the BG. I won't be able to swing something very well then either. __________________ "Anarchism is founded on the observation that since few men are wise enough to rule themselves, even fewer are wise enough to rule others." - Edward Abbey

January 29, 2006, 11:29 AM	#6
Twycross Senior Member Join Date: January 26, 2005 Location: Montana Posts: 1,187	I'm with the knife crowd. The basic disadvantage of a tomahawk is that it requires a swing to build up enough momentum to do damage. A knife is much more convenient, and also more concealable. Not that you have to conceal a knife. __________________ The test of character is not 'hanging in' when you expect light at the end of the tunnel, but performance of duty, and persistence of example when you know no light is coming. - Vice Admiral James Stockdale, USN (ret.)

January 29, 2006, 12:08 PM	#7
bp78 Senior Member Join Date: November 9, 2004 Posts: 166	Apparently some of our soliders in Iraq second your idea on the use of an ax: http://www.theothersideofkim.com/index.php/tos/8991/

January 29, 2006, 02:56 PM	#8
festergrump Junior Member Join Date: March 6, 2005 Posts: 11	Here's a link to an interesting article on using tomahawk (in PDF format). It's a small file and worthy of a look, anyway... http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/cssto.../tomahawks.pdf __________________ ...I'm loved by the hundreds... Hated by millions...

January 29, 2006, 03:12 PM	#9
The British Soldier Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2005 Location: England...that green and pleasasnt land. Posts: 295	As a former 'redcoat', as soon as I saw the tomohawk coming out I'd have put a rather large ball straight through your chest courtesy of my musket. __________________ Mike When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains And the women come out to cut up what remains Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains An' go to your Gawd like a soldier. Rudyard Kipling.

January 29, 2006, 03:54 PM	#10
coolridelude Senior Member Join Date: February 26, 2005 Location: TX Posts: 411	i use a tomahawk when i go camping. good for cutting wood, throwing, defense. but in the city i carry a spyderco knife. __________________ life doesn't give you a second chance to learn from your mistakes.

January 29, 2006, 04:47 PM	#11
Hard Ball Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 1999 Location: California Posts: 3,925	As they used to say in the 1800s "Give me a knife like Bowie;s." __________________ "I swear to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemeis domestic or foreign WHOMSOEVER."

January 29, 2006, 06:24 PM	#12
raydbonz Junior Member Join Date: April 2, 2002 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 6	The guy who runs one of the top shooting schools in the country keeps a tomahawk in his vehicle. If you are ever trapped inside or under water & need to break out the windshield, it's a great tool. If someone reaches into the vehicle, it would also serve to dissuade them if you lopped off a hand! And, they are "camping gear", legal everywhere. Probably even in Kalifornia!

January 29, 2006, 08:06 PM	#13
CraigJS Senior Member Join Date: July 31, 2005 Posts: 372	Certain groups in Nam like the Gerber model "tomahawk".

January 29, 2006, 08:10 PM	#14
txray22 Senior Member Join Date: December 9, 2004 Location: Tyler, Texas Posts: 167	Tomahawk Not legal in Texas

January 30, 2006, 04:33 AM	#15
Sir William Senior Member Join Date: October 13, 2004 Posts: 3,261	If it is up close, I am a bare handed supporter. "Empty" hand combat inflicts physical damage, pain control points and a palm to the nostrils will be of better effect.

January 30, 2006, 12:21 PM	#17
Mikeyboy Senior Member Join Date: October 31, 2005 Posts: 1,231	Ohhh I can't remember the name of the show on the History Channel, but it was a bald guy with a British accent talking about various weapons and tactics...anyway an axe or a hatchet is a good weapon, however it takes a lot of energy to use it, so if you don't get the BG in the first couple of swings, or if your fighting multiple guys your going to get worn out. Stabbing takes less effort, that why the little Romans did so well. P.S. Combat...that is the name of the series. Last edited by Mikeyboy; January 30, 2006 at 01:40 PM.

January 31, 2006, 01:01 AM	#19
SamD Senior Member Join Date: May 18, 2004 Location: Nueva Mexico Posts: 166	Knives are preferable most of the time, but for offensive use, I do prefer a hatchet. 1 1/4lb Plumb Official BSA model. Don't care for a 'hawk, too thin. Sam __________________ "It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards"

January 31, 2006, 11:16 AM	#21
Mikeyboy Senior Member Join Date: October 31, 2005 Posts: 1,231	Limeyfellow...+1 your correct...Good show...they did everything from sword fighting to SWAT tactics. Real interesting. The axe one was real funny and scary. He basically showed why the Vikings did so well by giving a guy a real sword (probably not fully sharp) and a wooden shield, then he picked up an real axe (again not real sharp) and said "Ready" and he proceeded to attack this poor guy. All the guy could do was cower and soil himself as this maniac literally went berzerker on him until his shield broke. The guy is brilliant but nuts. P.S I agree...while I love History Channel shows...they are a greedy bunch

January 31, 2006, 08:48 PM	#22
gordo b. Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2002 Location: Peoples republik of Calif. Posts: 961	"Certain groups in Nam like the Gerber model "tomahawk"." Actually it was from a company called W.A.K. and they were 1/4" thick stamped out and hardened blackened spring steel with a riveted slabbed brown grip material. I brought one back from Nam in 1970. My kids eventually destroyed it in mid 80's. I rewelded back together and gave it away in mid 90s. An all steel small Swedish fire axe is actually the hot hook up for mayhem,and Yes as a safety device they ARE legal in your vehicle in Kali.(unless you are a bad guy).The court defense on using one to defend yourself, if you had held your mouth right, would be MUCH more defensible than a knife or gun, actually. It being a convienent safety tool and all you were lucky enough to have at hand!A proper axe attack is very hard to defend against(ask Jason's victims!) it knocks away knives and such.

January 31, 2006, 09:12 PM	#23
Musketeer Senior Member Join Date: September 12, 2005 Posts: 3,733	I have a last resort edged weapon stashed in the house that combines the benifits of knife and tomahawk. The Kukri. http://www.coldsteel.com/fixed-blades-gurkhas.html Mine isn't as pretty but is equally no-nonsense http://www.atlantacutlery.com/websto...a%20Kukri.aspx

January 31, 2006, 11:22 PM	#24
kozak6 Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2005 Location: AZ Posts: 3,113	I don't know, I'd have to say I'm more of a pike kind of guy.

January 31, 2006, 11:41 PM	#25
Hard Ball Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 1999 Location: California Posts: 3,925	How about a halbred? Now theres an Axe! __________________ "I swear to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemeis domestic or foreign WHOMSOEVER."