Freddy Williams

softtails · April 21, 2011, 05:58 AM

Have recently acquired a Freddy Williams 12g shotgun approx 1890 build, side by side, hammerless in very good condition, can anyone give me an indication of its value ?

johnbt · April 21, 2011, 09:29 AM

Does it really say Freddy?

Here's a thread on Frederick Williams

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/...f5139eebe3f8f5

RJay · April 21, 2011, 10:34 AM

As posted Fred Williams was a English gunmaker, but was Freddy?? I find it very unlikely that a proper English gun maker would sign his work with a nick name,especially an American nick name.. Does your shotguns have British proof markings or Belgium?

Scorch · April 21, 2011, 12:42 PM

I would bet that if you search the bottom of the breech, water table, and the underlug, you will either find Belgian proofs or no proofs at all. Many Belgian and American-made shotguns were sold as private-labeled guns to be sold through hardware stores and mail order, and were named to sound just like the famous brand names. I once handled a Belgian shotgun that was marked Purdy (as opposed to Purdey, the high-dollar British firearms maker).

**4V50 Gary** · April 22, 2011, 10:11 PM

My first thought is that someone is playing a joke. Frederick William was the king in Prussia. People who have others folks wipe their royal butts generally aren't gunmakers.

April 21, 2011, 05:58 AM	#1
softtails Junior Member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Posts: 2	Freddy Williams Have recently acquired a Freddy Williams 12g shotgun approx 1890 build, side by side, hammerless in very good condition, can anyone give me an indication of its value ?

April 21, 2011, 12:42 PM	#4
Scorch Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2006 Location: Washington state Posts: 15,248	I would bet that if you search the bottom of the breech, water table, and the underlug, you will either find Belgian proofs or no proofs at all. Many Belgian and American-made shotguns were sold as private-labeled guns to be sold through hardware stores and mail order, and were named to sound just like the famous brand names. I once handled a Belgian shotgun that was marked Purdy (as opposed to Purdey, the high-dollar British firearms maker). __________________ Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs. But what do I know? Summit Arms Services

April 22, 2011, 10:11 PM	#5
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,838	My first thought is that someone is playing a joke. Frederick William was the king in Prussia. People who have others folks wipe their royal butts generally aren't gunmakers. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

April 21, 2011, 09:29 AM	#2
johnbt Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 1999 Location: Richmond, Virginia USA Posts: 6,004	Does it really say Freddy? Here's a thread on Frederick Williams http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/...f5139eebe3f8f5

April 21, 2011, 10:34 AM	#3
RJay Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2005 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,936	As posted Fred Williams was a English gunmaker, but was Freddy?? I find it very unlikely that a proper English gun maker would sign his work with a nick name,especially an American nick name.. Does your shotguns have British proof markings or Belgium?