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January 3, 2015, 03:52 PM | #1 |
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Homemade firearms laws in michigan?
First let me say I'm new here and I deeply apologize for putting this in the wrong place.
I want to make a handgun that fires 410 shells, but I don't know about the law surrounding it. I've researched for a few hours but can't quite find a definitive answer. I know a shotgun has to have 18" or longer barrel and 26" total length and a rifle 16" barrel and 26" overall, and I know you can make a pistol any length as long as it doesn't have a stock (please please please correct me if I'm wrong on any of this). But I don't know if I can make a pistol that shoots shells rather than cartridges. A big thanks for any insight (I live in Michigan if you forgot or didn't read the title) |
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January 3, 2015, 04:51 PM | #3 |
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Why go through all that work when there are already two on the market that are revolvers plus numerous derringers that alrady do what you want?
Also in .45 you can purchase or reload Speer shot capsuls. |
January 3, 2015, 05:45 PM | #4 |
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I don't pretend to know about Michigan law but under federal law you can make a handgun that fires shotgun shells ... but it has to have a rifled barrel or it becomes an "any other weapon"
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January 3, 2015, 07:06 PM | #5 |
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The reason for making it rather than buying it would be to take more pride and fun in it. But that's just me.
Also, the design thus far would include a barrel that's several inches longer than what's on the market and should fit the projectile tighter than a pistol that shoots 45LC as well as 410. But mostly, it's just the fun and cost effectiveness of building it myself As far as the rifling goes I'll have to look into it more, as I'm not sure if it will make it absolutely legal in Michigan and how I would do it with the supplies at hand. Thanks! |
January 4, 2015, 01:48 PM | #6 |
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I would post this same question in Michigan gun owners (MGO) forum in the legal section. Should get informed response there.
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January 4, 2015, 05:18 PM | #7 |
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I didn't even know there was such a thing, is there someway just to move the post there like they did the first time or should I just make a new post?
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January 4, 2015, 05:57 PM | #8 |
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New post needed, it's a completely different forum. Google michigan gun owners.
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January 4, 2015, 07:01 PM | #9 |
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Sorry, I'm a bit dim. Big thanks!
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I'm a bit late to this party, but here goes.
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The term "pistol or revolver" is NOT defined explicitly in the NFA, but it has been interpreted to mean a firearm designed to be fired with one hand. (As an aside, this is how pistol-grip or PGO shotguns get around this provision, as they are invariably pump-action designs that require two hands to operate.) I am also totally unfamiliar with MI law regarding manufacturing your own firearm, but you should be aware that many states have a law that says something like "The possession, manufacture, or transfer of an [insert description of NFA weapon] is unlawful unless the possession, manufacture, or transfer is pursuant to registration under the National Firearms Act of 1934..." In short, possession of an unregistered NFA weapon is ALSO a violation of state law, in addition to being a violation of federal law. To see if MI has such a law, I suggest searching the state's online statutes using the term "National Firearms Act". The topic of NFA registration and transfer taxes for an AOW is far too broad to address here, but you can find oodles of resources online.
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Hello, looks like a late post but, in case someone stumbles here looking for info on the state law. Michigan is an odd state in that if you manufacture a pistol (for personal use only of course) You need to obtain an RI-060 (one of these https://www.michigan.gov/documents/m...0_523727_7.pdf) fill it out, put your name as the buyer and the seller, and deliver it to The Chief law enforcement officer of your locality, be that a municipal police if you're in town, or county police if you aren't. Registration is such a bummer
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January 25, 2017, 10:11 PM | #12 |
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Pistols capable of firing shotgun shells are legal (Taurus Judge, etc.), but I don't know if your homemade gun would be classified as "any other weapon" under the NFA. Best check with the ATF first.
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January 26, 2017, 08:12 AM | #14 |
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Is it just that the barrel is rifled, or is it that the pistol can fire a normal pistol cartridge? I would just expect to seem these made in a few other gauges if it just needed to be rifled.
There is a separate .50 cal limit isn't there? That would eliminate the other gauges I guess. Surprised no one has introduced a .500 shell to match a 50 cal pistol. |
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January 26, 2017, 05:45 PM | #16 |
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you can also use rifles and pistols in calibers larger than 50 caliber if they utilize a match, flint or cap lock ignition. These are not considered "firearms" in the 1968 GCA. What I don't remember is if they have to use black powder or a substitute or if they can use smokeless powder like the current smokeless muzzle loading rifles.
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