45-70 case length?

Lavan · August 2, 2002, 07:40 PM

As most of u know, we are a coin shop/pawn shop.
A guy came in and sold me a bunch of NEAT dugup coins and stuff. (Sure like to know the glory hole) Finding bottles, old cartridges, knives, coins.....amazing stuff. Coins in the 1850, 60, 70 range.
BUT....back to the topic. Amongst the stuff I got from him are some 45-70 cartridges. Old loaded ammo. Maybe even GI stuff. But some are commercial.
Some are from WRA Co and case is 2.1 " long like most I've seen.
But the USC Co are 1.83"
domed primers and old. But did they make different cartridges all called 45-70??
Both headstamped 45-70

(measurements are case only)

sricciardelli · August 2, 2002, 11:27 PM

The USC headstamps and shorter cases were generally loaded as blanks. Actual case length was 1.85".

Lavan · August 3, 2002, 12:40 PM

These are loaded cartridges with lead bullets. Any ideas?

Jim Watson · August 3, 2002, 05:27 PM

Barnes' Cartridges of the World says the .45-60 for the 1876 Winchester has a 1.89" caselength. Close enough?
I have read of instances of wrong headstamps.

papercut · August 3, 2002, 05:50 PM

According to the guy at http://www.calweb.com/~haas/ammoguide/ the case length is 2.105 inches. This appears to match the box of Remington ammo I have (well, I'm not too sure about that "05" part at the end). Don't know where he got his info.

Steven Mace · August 3, 2002, 06:18 PM

The proper case length for the .45-70 Government caliber is 2.105". I believe what sricciardelli stated is true, those cases found to be around 1.85" long with the .45-70 headstamp where more than likely blanks manufactured for that caliber. Hope this help!

Steve Mace

August 2, 2002, 07:40 PM	#1
Lavan Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 1999 Location: California Posts: 2,716	45-70 case length? As most of u know, we are a coin shop/pawn shop. A guy came in and sold me a bunch of NEAT dugup coins and stuff. (Sure like to know the glory hole) Finding bottles, old cartridges, knives, coins.....amazing stuff. Coins in the 1850, 60, 70 range. BUT....back to the topic. Amongst the stuff I got from him are some 45-70 cartridges. Old loaded ammo. Maybe even GI stuff. But some are commercial. Some are from WRA Co and case is 2.1 " long like most I've seen. But the USC Co are 1.83" domed primers and old. But did they make different cartridges all called 45-70?? Both headstamped 45-70 (measurements are case only)

August 2, 2002, 11:27 PM	#2
sricciardelli Senior Member Join Date: August 13, 2001 Location: Montana Posts: 489	The USC headstamps and shorter cases were generally loaded as blanks. Actual case length was 1.85". __________________ http://stevespages.com/page8.htm

August 3, 2002, 05:50 PM	#5
papercut Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 2000 Location: Cobb County, Georgia, USA, near the Big Chicken Posts: 922	According to the guy at http://www.calweb.com/~haas/ammoguide/ the case length is 2.105 inches. This appears to match the box of Remington ammo I have (well, I'm not too sure about that "05" part at the end). Don't know where he got his info. __________________ Sins can be forgiven, ills can be cured, but stupidity is forever.

August 3, 2002, 06:18 PM	#6
Steven Mace Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 1999 Location: Clifton, Colorado USA Posts: 724	.45-70 Case Length The proper case length for the .45-70 Government caliber is 2.105". I believe what sricciardelli stated is true, those cases found to be around 1.85" long with the .45-70 headstamp where more than likely blanks manufactured for that caliber. Hope this help! Steve Mace __________________ After today, its all historical

August 3, 2002, 12:40 PM	#3
Lavan Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 1999 Location: California Posts: 2,716	These are loaded cartridges with lead bullets. Any ideas?

August 3, 2002, 05:27 PM	#4
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,535	Barnes' Cartridges of the World says the .45-60 for the 1876 Winchester has a 1.89" caselength. Close enough? I have read of instances of wrong headstamps.