here's one for ya.

darkgael · October 11, 2011, 08:35 PM

Found this in a box of surplus cartridges today. Any one know what guns were used for it. Headstamp reads Remington UMC .22 Luger.

Pete
PS - Sorry, the picture posted originally was the wrong cartridge.

Winchester_73 · October 11, 2011, 08:47 PM

How bizarre. I have no idea what the story on those is but I am interested to find out.

Jim Watson · October 11, 2011, 10:05 PM

Disregard, thoughts based on wrong picture, see below.

jonnyc · October 12, 2011, 04:59 AM

1. Is the bullet lead or jacketed?
2. Please post a pic of the headstamp.

**Mike Irwin** · October 12, 2011, 05:34 AM

Absolutely! Please post a picture of the headstamp!

I've been collecting cartridges for 30 years now and I have NEVER heard of this one.

If you find another one in that box of cartridges, PM me and we'll talk money.

darkgael · October 12, 2011, 09:43 AM

I think that we can forget this one as curious as it is. I am posting a picture but, upon close examination, the numbers are a different font and struck differently.

This cartridge and some others came the estate of an old gentleman who passed away a couple of years ago. He was a master machinist, an inventor and tinkerer with four patents to his name. I know that he made other cartridges and the guns to fire them. This may have been one of his other efforts.The bullet is lead.
I wish that I knew if he'd made a gun for this but those things were sold off shortly after his death in 2009.
Pic (not a great pic either):

Pete

jonnyc · October 12, 2011, 02:49 PM

I kind of thought it might be a wildcat. Still of great interest in the cartridge world. A collector of wildcat rounds would love it.

Jim Watson · October 12, 2011, 04:16 PM

In the 1960s there was a wildcat that looked a lot like that, the .22 Goldstein Luger. Jerry Goldstein necked down some 9mm and/or .30 Luger to .22 and put a barrel for it on a P08. I never saw but the one magazine article and did not think it had gone any farther.

I do not recall him editing headstamps but he might have.
Or this might be a factory product with an improvised headstamp bunter giving the differences you describe. (I can't see the headstamp in the picture well enough to read.)

James K · October 12, 2011, 08:01 PM

What a kick in the old memory bank! I hadn't thought of that .22 Luger for years, though I now recall the article. Those "concept" guns get made or maybe mocked up, written up in some gunzine, and disappear. The idea of a bottleneck high power small bore pistol round is not a bad one (anyone thinking Five seveN here?) but using a dead end and finicky platform like the Luger would, IMHO, be pointless.

Jim

darkgael · October 12, 2011, 08:16 PM

Quote:

(I can't see the headstamp in the picture well enough to read.)

Not much to read. "Rem. UMC 22 Luger".

Pete

October 11, 2011, 08:35 PM	#1
darkgael Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2006 Location: Homes in Brooklyn, NY and in Pennsylvania. Posts: 5,473	here's one for ya. Found this in a box of surplus cartridges today. Any one know what guns were used for it. Headstamp reads Remington UMC .22 Luger. Pete PS - Sorry, the picture posted originally was the wrong cartridge. __________________ “Auto racing, bull fighting, and mountain climbing are the only real sports ... all others are games.” Ernest Hemingway ... NRA Life Member Last edited by darkgael; October 12, 2011 at 03:10 AM. Reason: wrong picture

October 11, 2011, 08:47 PM	#2
Winchester_73 Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2008 Location: Pittsburgh PA Posts: 2,863	How bizarre. I have no idea what the story on those is but I am interested to find out. __________________ Winchester 73, the TFL user that won the west

October 11, 2011, 10:05 PM	#3
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,535	Disregard, thoughts based on wrong picture, see below. Last edited by Jim Watson; October 12, 2011 at 04:10 PM.

October 12, 2011, 05:34 AM	#5
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,380	Absolutely! Please post a picture of the headstamp! I've been collecting cartridges for 30 years now and I have NEVER heard of this one. If you find another one in that box of cartridges, PM me and we'll talk money. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

October 12, 2011, 09:43 AM	#6
darkgael Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2006 Location: Homes in Brooklyn, NY and in Pennsylvania. Posts: 5,473	Nah. I think that we can forget this one as curious as it is. I am posting a picture but, upon close examination, the numbers are a different font and struck differently. This cartridge and some others came the estate of an old gentleman who passed away a couple of years ago. He was a master machinist, an inventor and tinkerer with four patents to his name. I know that he made other cartridges and the guns to fire them. This may have been one of his other efforts.The bullet is lead. I wish that I knew if he'd made a gun for this but those things were sold off shortly after his death in 2009. Pic (not a great pic either): Pete __________________ “Auto racing, bull fighting, and mountain climbing are the only real sports ... all others are games.” Ernest Hemingway ... NRA Life Member

October 12, 2011, 04:59 AM	#4
jonnyc Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2009 Location: PA Posts: 1,731	1. Is the bullet lead or jacketed? 2. Please post a pic of the headstamp.

October 12, 2011, 02:49 PM	#7
jonnyc Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2009 Location: PA Posts: 1,731	I kind of thought it might be a wildcat. Still of great interest in the cartridge world. A collector of wildcat rounds would love it.

October 12, 2011, 04:16 PM	#8
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,535	In the 1960s there was a wildcat that looked a lot like that, the .22 Goldstein Luger. Jerry Goldstein necked down some 9mm and/or .30 Luger to .22 and put a barrel for it on a P08. I never saw but the one magazine article and did not think it had gone any farther. I do not recall him editing headstamps but he might have. Or this might be a factory product with an improvised headstamp bunter giving the differences you describe. (I can't see the headstamp in the picture well enough to read.)

October 12, 2011, 08:01 PM	#9
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	What a kick in the old memory bank! I hadn't thought of that .22 Luger for years, though I now recall the article. Those "concept" guns get made or maybe mocked up, written up in some gunzine, and disappear. The idea of a bottleneck high power small bore pistol round is not a bad one (anyone thinking Five seveN here?) but using a dead end and finicky platform like the Luger would, IMHO, be pointless. Jim