The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The Hide > NFA Guns and Gear

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old October 12, 2009, 09:07 PM   #1
Chattownusa
Junior Member
 
Join Date: October 12, 2009
Location: chattanooga
Posts: 11
How much are SMG's

im pretty new to all the buying selling trading how much are UMP 45's or MP5K's is it worth it
Chattownusa is offline  
Old October 12, 2009, 09:09 PM   #2
GLP Standard
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 27, 2005
Posts: 286
First off, you'll never own an H&K UMP45 because they didnt come out until 1999 (according to wikipedia). The way the laws are now, if a full auto firearm was manufactured after May 19, 1986, it can never legally be owned by a civilian (unless you're a Class III dealer).

An H&K MP5 is a different story. They came out in 1966, so as long as it was manufactured AND registered with the BATFE on or before that date, you can own one. But itll cost you about $20,000.

Worth it? That's up to you and how deep your pockets are

Last edited by GLP Standard; October 12, 2009 at 09:14 PM.
GLP Standard is offline  
Old October 12, 2009, 09:15 PM   #3
Chattownusa
Junior Member
 
Join Date: October 12, 2009
Location: chattanooga
Posts: 11
are clones pretty good nothing full auto i personnally think fully auto is stupid on any kind full assult rifle or smg

I guess I will restate this different. I see the use of full auto on assult rifles and SMG's. I would probly own one like that if I had a chance, but in a real combat situation full auto should be support weapons. I have been a gunner and a dismount in firefights and I have co trained with many countrys. just cause your weapon can fire auto doesnt mean you train for it. burst and single fire is still the perfered firing method.

Last edited by Chattownusa; October 13, 2009 at 11:36 AM. Reason: Lost in Translation
Chattownusa is offline  
Old October 13, 2009, 12:22 AM   #4
David Hineline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 23, 1999
Location: South Sioux City, Nebraska
Posts: 704
Yes full auto is totally stupid, that is why every military unit in the world and every elite police dept. in the world uses them.
David Hineline is offline  
Old October 13, 2009, 09:40 AM   #5
jmorris
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 22, 2006
Posts: 3,076
Quote:
are clones pretty good nothing full auto i personnally think fully auto is stupid on any kind full assult rifle or smg
Not to mention a full auto SMG isn’t even an oxymoron. Maybe you should check out the Clone NFA Guns and Gear forum.
jmorris is offline  
Old October 13, 2009, 10:42 AM   #6
Skans
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 20, 2008
Posts: 11,131
Quote:
i personnally think fully auto is stupid on any kind full assult rifle or smg
That's right - Tommy guns and Sten guns were useless in WWII, and the AK47was useless in Viet Nam. The infantry should only carry full-auto FAL's and M14's. Riiiiiiiiiight, that makes loads of sense!
Skans is offline  
Old October 13, 2009, 11:05 AM   #7
Chattownusa
Junior Member
 
Join Date: October 12, 2009
Location: chattanooga
Posts: 11
Its called fire control. full auto is people that cant hit what they want the first round. I believe highly in uses of full auto for support weapons. every military in the world has full auto weapons but not every joe in their army does burst and single. as for police dept no first hand experience there, but friends i have and family in swat teams they have full auto smg's but dont train to use them like that.

Last edited by Chattownusa; October 13, 2009 at 11:16 AM.
Chattownusa is offline  
Old October 13, 2009, 12:31 PM   #8
Willie Lowman
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 5, 2009
Location: Uh-Hi-O
Posts: 3,006
This conversation is not going to go anywhere.

You don't walk into a full auto discussion and say "Full auto is stupid" and expect anyone to be friendly and helpful do you?

If you want to talk about semi auto military rifles go to the "Art of the Rifle" forum.
__________________
"9mm has a very long history of being a pointy little bullet moving quickly" --Sevens
Willie Lowman is offline  
Old October 13, 2009, 03:40 PM   #9
AF_TT
Member
 
Join Date: August 15, 2009
Location: America
Posts: 16
Try assaulting through a ambush with a semi. Really though you should ask the SWAT family members to get you on the range with them so you can decide how you like it. Tell us how it goes.
AF_TT is offline  
Old October 13, 2009, 04:02 PM   #10
JerseyDrez
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 26, 2009
Location: Hmmm?
Posts: 510
Haha own3d.
JerseyDrez is offline  
Old October 13, 2009, 06:44 PM   #11
SigP6Carry
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 27, 2009
Posts: 1,086
IMO, full auto is stupid, too. Not because it's impractical, but because I don't have the money to by a tax stamp, gun and thousands of rounds to have fun with. There for, it's stupid. It's stupid because it's something I can't do. And anyone who does it is stupid, because I can't do it.
__________________
-liberal gun nut = exception to the rule-
-1.24274238 miles, because Russians don't need scopes-
-Gun control was the Klan's favorite law, how can you advocate a set of laws designed to allow the denigration of a people?-
SigP6Carry is offline  
Old October 13, 2009, 07:00 PM   #12
The Canuck
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 13, 2006
Location: Calgary Alberta, Canada
Posts: 307
Full auto is not stupid. It has its proper application and outside that is a waste of ammo and a sure way to attract some full auto fire yourself!
__________________
"If you put one in the snot locker, it doesn't matter what calibre it is".
The Canuck is offline  
Old October 13, 2009, 11:32 PM   #13
Ridge_Runner_5
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 8, 2008
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 1,925
Quote:
And anyone who does it is stupid, because I can't do it.
Just go back to your juice box, mmkay?
Ridge_Runner_5 is offline  
Old October 14, 2009, 12:49 AM   #14
SigP6Carry
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 27, 2009
Posts: 1,086
sarcasm is a bit lost on this, aye?
__________________
-liberal gun nut = exception to the rule-
-1.24274238 miles, because Russians don't need scopes-
-Gun control was the Klan's favorite law, how can you advocate a set of laws designed to allow the denigration of a people?-
SigP6Carry is offline  
Old October 15, 2009, 03:49 PM   #15
Firepower!
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 3, 2008
Posts: 2,109
So in nutshell, you cannot own any auto weapon made after 1986? That is stupid!

Anyway, how hard is it for a citizen to become a class III dealer so he can have fun weapons?

Stupid or not, I really enjoy my Kirinkov and Kalashnikov on full auto....
Firepower! is offline  
Old October 15, 2009, 04:09 PM   #16
Chipperman
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 31, 2000
Location: Live Free or Die, Baby!
Posts: 1,550
You can't become a dealer just to play with toys. You need to have a legitimate business interest.
Chipperman is offline  
Old October 15, 2009, 04:43 PM   #17
Willie Lowman
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 5, 2009
Location: Uh-Hi-O
Posts: 3,006
Quote:
So in nutshell, you cannot own any auto weapon made after 1986? That is stupid!
That's right, Firepower.

Where you must pay $5,000 for a Glock in Pakistan, we must pay $18,000 for a Krinkov.
__________________
"9mm has a very long history of being a pointy little bullet moving quickly" --Sevens
Willie Lowman is offline  
Old October 16, 2009, 08:15 AM   #18
Skans
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 20, 2008
Posts: 11,131
Quote:
So in nutshell, you cannot own any auto weapon made after 1986? That is stupid!
No, it's diabolical and ingenious. The government knows that some day there will be no more machine guns, or too expensive for anyone to shoot. Also, by forcing people who like machine guns to shoot old, beat up full-auto weapons is like handing them a grenade that will eventually go off and destroy the machine-gun loving owner.

It may take 50 or 300 years. Would you do mag dumps in a 150 year old Ruger AC556?
Skans is offline  
Old October 17, 2009, 02:17 AM   #19
T. O'Heir
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 13, 2002
Location: Canada
Posts: 12,453
"...how much are..." 15 to 20 grand for an MP5.
"...is it worth it?..." Live in a State that allows Class 3? Got the money to feed an SMG? They're great fun to shoot, but not cheap to shoot.
__________________
Spelling and grammar count!
T. O'Heir is offline  
Old October 17, 2009, 12:27 PM   #20
Skans
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 20, 2008
Posts: 11,131
Quote:
"Are they worth it"
From a practical standpoint, no. Machineguns are not worth it. A machine gun will do you no good whatsoever for self defense, defense of a dwelling, or just about any scenario I could imagine, short of a civil war. Hunting with a machine gun isn't permitted, but even if it was, that would be absurd.

And, what the heck are you going to do with a registered machine gun if you ever find yourself in a position of having to do battle in a civil war, or against a tyrant that has taken over your country? In a true SHTF scenario, no one is going to give a crap if you happen to have a Form 4 with a pretty looking stamp and your picture pasted to it. If you use it to fight your own country, waiving around a Form 4 isn't going to keep you from getting shot or imprisoned if you aren't successful.

From an investing standpoint, machineguns are worth it based on historical prices. Unless there's another amnesty (which I don't see happening), supply can only get smaller and with population increasing, demand will get larger. Super rich people might pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to be the only "cool" kid in their exclusive neighborhood who has a machine gun. Who knows, Uber-rich folks have paid millions of dollars for ugly paintings. Machine guns are prettier, cooler, more "adventuresome", funner and more impressive than an ugly painting.

From a "fun" standpoint, machineguns are not worth it unless you have so much money you don't know what to do with it. I paid $2,400 for my AC556 when I bought it - I would never pay $6,000+ for one today, and I sure as heck wouldn't pay $13,000+ for an M16!! They just ain't THAT much fun to shoot. For $15,000 I could get a V8 motorcycle with unlimited acceleration and power at the twist of a throtle.....now THAT'S what I call 15K worth of fun!!!!
Skans is offline  
Old October 17, 2009, 02:34 PM   #21
KC9LDB
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 22, 2009
Location: Woodridge, IL
Posts: 147
http://www.autoweapons.com/home.html
lotta info/for sale stuff, I screw around on there all them time.
KC9LDB is offline  
Old October 17, 2009, 05:48 PM   #22
Neruda
Member
 
Join Date: February 28, 2006
Location: Santiago, Chile
Posts: 79
As a matter of curiosity, what is an approx. new price - as paid by the army or athorized agencies etc.?
I'm guessing 20K has a lot to do with supply v demand among civillian collectors.
Neruda is offline  
Old October 17, 2009, 06:47 PM   #23
TEDDY
Junior member
 
Join Date: December 10, 2006
Location: MANNING SC
Posts: 837
mg

I believe a ma duce is $10,000.
TEDDY is offline  
Old October 17, 2009, 06:55 PM   #24
gyvel
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 30, 2009
Location: Northern AZ
Posts: 7,172
Quote:
And, what the heck are you going to do with a registered machine gun if you ever find yourself in a position of having to do battle in a civil war, or against a tyrant that has taken over your country? In a true SHTF scenario, no one is going to give a crap if you happen to have a Form 4 with a pretty looking stamp and your picture pasted to it. If you use it to fight your own country, waiving around a Form 4 isn't going to keep you from getting shot or imprisoned if you aren't successful.

In a SHTF situation, it's not going to matter if your "machine gun" is registered or not. That really wasn't the best example.
gyvel is offline  
Old October 19, 2009, 07:53 AM   #25
Skans
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 20, 2008
Posts: 11,131
Quote:
In a SHTF situation, it's not going to matter if your "machine gun" is registered or not. That really wasn't the best example.
Exactly. You've got to think - what makes buying a registered machine gun "worth it". And, my conclusion is that it's not really "worth it" to buy a registered machine gun, except possibly for collectibility or investment. And, I don't think they make really great investments at this price point either.

The bottom line is that I wouldn't buy a machine gun at the prices they are currently at. Glad I got mine 8 years ago.
Skans is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:59 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2021 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Page generated in 0.09856 seconds with 10 queries