Woody's Shoot N Snore - Page 2

Quantrill · August 11, 2002, 09:23 AM

Ray,
I know you posted the PPC description on the other thread but it did not come up for me. It came up all gibberish. Would you please repeat the description of that and the other matches you intend holding. Also, if you can remember where they are, please bring along my old ammo can and the few 12 ga. shotshells that were in there. If no one else is bringing Dillon's VCR tape,"Machine Gun Magic", I'll look around and see if I can find my copy. Quantrill

RAY WOODROW 3RD · August 11, 2002, 02:34 PM

I still have your old beat up army can sitting next to my ammo locker.

1st event, the rope shoot. 2nd event, the pin shoot, 3rd event, police qualification shoot. Bring a $20.00 and your set for the day.
Bring your own ammo. No hollow points. You will need at least 100 rounds but I would bring more. 60 rounds for the police qual and the rest for the rope & pin shoot. If you have a holster, bring it for the police qual.

Arrival time: 9:30am
Start shooting: 10:00am

Fees: There will be 3 competitions held. Each competition costs $5.00. The winner of each match will win half of the 50/50 pot. The other half will go torwards the club.

Food: All you can eat hotdogs, soda, water, and fruit will be on hand for $5.00.

1st Competition: The rope shoot. Individuals will shoot in groups of 4's. The winner of each group will compete with the other group winners for an over all winner. What is a rope shoot you say? A rope shoot is a laundry line rope that hangs freely in front of the impact area with a suspended log attached to the other end. Individuals start out at 20 yards with 6 shots and try to cut the rope in half. If not done at 20 yards the group moves up to 15 yards and so on in 5 yard incriments until there is a winner.

2nd Competition: The pin shoot. Individuals will shoot in groups of 4's at 4 bowling pins each. With 6 shots you must clear the pins off of the rack and onto the ground. If not done at 20 yards the group moves up to 15 yards and so on in 5 yard incriments until there is a winner.

3rd Competition: The N.J. Police Qualification course. BACK BY POPULAR DEMAND! You will need 60 rounds for this timed shoot. The individual that scores the highest wins.

We are going to shoot the 60 round course of fire starting out at 25 yards and working our way in to 1 yard. Page # 9-62 will give you the rundown on the course for those of you who want to practice. It is Qualification "IS R HQC 1". the course is timed and you will be shooting from various positions, weak hand, drawing from holster reloading, etc.

http://www.state.nj.us/lps/dcj/agguide/firearms2001.pdf

Any other questions feel free to ask.

RAY WOODROW 3RD · August 11, 2002, 09:49 PM

THE BUCKEYE GUN CLUB'S

NEW JERSEY
TFL
GET TOGETHER & PISTOL SHOOT

WHAT: Rope, pin, and police qualification shoot.

WHEN: Saturday, August 24Th 9:30a.m. sign up, 10:00a.m. shoot.

WHERE: Buckeye Gun Club, 501 Rt.72E Barnegat, N.J.

Come and enjoy the company of fellow TFLer's in the surrounding areas as we get together to shoot the breeze and a few other items as well while supporting a good cause, the Buckeye Gun Club. Food and beverages will be on hand. Targets will be provided.

Jamie Young · August 11, 2002, 09:58 PM

I'm still laughing about the title of this thread.

Come to think of it, the last thread was just as funny.

RAY WOODROW 3RD · August 11, 2002, 10:07 PM

Are you showing up later?

Jamie Young · August 11, 2002, 10:15 PM

I'm trying to weezle out of my duties Saturday. I have a feeling its probable not going to be until about 6-7pm. There is a possibility I won't be able to make it at all though. I suppose to be going to my Uncle and my two nephews to the shore. But I'm going to see if I can drive down separate and leave early. I'll pack My Colt and Single six but I doubt I'll be there for any of the competitions.

Quantrill · August 12, 2002, 07:56 AM

Ray,
Sorry to be a pain but I still can't get the PPC description to come up on my old computer. Could you possibly cut and paste it for me??? Quantrill

3 gun · August 12, 2002, 03:21 PM

Can anyone play? I feel a road trip coming on (if I don't have to work). Do you have to use the same pistol in all 3 shoots or can you change off?

RAY WOODROW 3RD · August 12, 2002, 04:39 PM

You can change off. I'll extend the offer to you also. Anybody wanting too can crash at the club that night. I'll be staying down along with K80Geoff, David Park, and a few others. We can sleep 36 individuals so don't feel like it will be cramped quarters. David Park will be bringing a bunch of gun flicks and SodaPop will be providing the popcorn. The more the merrier. Any other questions people feel free to ask.

David Park · August 12, 2002, 05:32 PM

Quantrill, here's a JPEG of the qualification chart. I hope this helps.

I don't have any machine gun videos or stuff like that, so feel free to bring your Dillon tape.

RAY WOODROW 3RD · August 12, 2002, 05:42 PM

I can't cut and paste because it will not allow me so I will hand type the course just for you. You better show up!

IS R HQC 1

1st group of shots from 25 yards, 12 total shots:

Position: Kneeling strong side cover, 30 sec.
Shooter will start standing 2 yards behind the barricade. On command the shooter will move forward and fire 4 rds from the strong side of cover neeling. Remain behind cover in a ready position with visual focus torwards the threat area.

Position: Over the top of cover, 30 sec.
On command fire 4 rds over the top of cover. Remain behind cover in a ready position with visual focus torwards the threat area.

Position: Support side of cover, neeling or standing(strong hand), 30 sec.
On command fire 4 rds with the strong hand (support is recommended)from the support side of cover neeling or standing. Reload if necessary decoc and holster. Replenish loading devices.

2nd group of shots from 15 yards, 12 total shots:

Position: Standing, 5 sec.
Draw and fire 3 rds standing, decoc and holster.

Position: Standing & neeling, 25 sec.
Draw and fire 3 rds standing, assume a neeling position and fire 6 rds neeling.

3rd group of shots from 10 yards, 6 total shots:

Position: Ready, 3 groups of 2 shots on command, 3 sec.
From the ready position fire 2 rds on each command to fire.

4th group of shots from 7 yards, 12 total shots:

Position: Standing
Draw, fire 3 rds, decoc and holster 4 sec.
Draw, fire 3 rds, make magazine change, fire 15 sec.
Draw, fire 3 rds, decoc and holster 4 sec.

5th group of shots from 5 yards, total 12 shots:

Position: Standing one hand, strong side. 3 groups of 2 shots on command, 4 sec.
Draw and fire 2 rds one-handed with the strong hand, decoc and holster.

Position: Standing one hand, support hand. 3 groups of 2 shots on command, 3 sec.
Weapon should be in the support hand at the ready. Fire 2 shots one-handed with the support hand each command, return to the ready.

6th group of shots from 1 yard, 6 total shots:

Position: Standing, weapon retention. 3 groups of 2 shots on command, 2 sec.
Assume an interview stance position. Draw and fire 2 rds from the weapon retetion position, decoc and holster.

FlyinGN · August 12, 2002, 06:40 PM

wow, possible Ohio people coming! This has got the potential to be (maybe) the biggest TFL get together.. Im counting the days..

Frank

Jamie Young · August 12, 2002, 08:59 PM

Ray- what are the most TFL members we've ever had come to one of these shoots?

You always have a lot of "guests" so I always loose track. The most I've ever had was 13 at the "Pop Festival" last January. If we could just get everyone to come back I'd probable have close to 40 TFL members at one of the W&W shoots. I was just thinking the other day that I have met about 75 TFL members. Some just at gun shows (that keep saying they're coming) and the rest at gatherings.

Quantrill · August 12, 2002, 09:57 PM

Ray,
Thanks a load. I am planning on attending. Quantrill

RAY WOODROW 3RD · August 12, 2002, 10:05 PM

We had 10 accual TFLers at the last Jersey shoot and about 5 guests. This up coming gathering is looking pretty good so far. The shoot I went to up at W&W that you were holding was right about the same from what I saw.

Jamie Young · August 12, 2002, 10:11 PM

Yeah we were 13 TFL and 2 guests. I wish I could come early.

RAY WOODROW 3RD · August 12, 2002, 10:18 PM

1)Ray Woodrow 3rd
2)Mrs.Woody6(my better half)
3)Quantril
4)Quantril's better half
5)Parmasan
6)ammoeater
7)ammoeater's friend
8)K80Geoff
9)Hardcase
10)pdmoderator
11)pdmoderator's better half
12)David Park
13)jmlv
14)FlyinGn
15)FlyinGn's better half
16)FlyinGn's father-inlaw
17)Ray Woodrow Jr.
18)Daniel Weston
19)Russel Down
20)Ed Pittman
21)Make Mine A Nine
22)Rovert
23)Rovert's friend
24)Dot_mdb
25)CReynolds(maybe)
26)lochaber(maybe)
27)DannyBoy(maybe)
28)rms/pa
29)YOU! WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR!

Anyone else feel like coming out to play? Let me know so I can add you to the list!

Quantrill · August 13, 2002, 06:43 PM

Ray,
WOW! What a change from the way I was taught and later taught others. I shot my first PPC in 1968 at Atlantic City Police range. It was called the FBI Academy Course at that time. Back then, There were no automatics allowed and everything was set-up for a revolver. I still have the original pictured text using only 5 shot loadings in a wheel gun and starting in the prone position at 60 yards. The 5 shot loadings was a holdover from the days of letting your hammer rest on an empty cylinder. One also had to run from cover to cover during the allotted time. Later on I qualified a few police depts. in Atlantic County with a Game Warden who was a pretty savvy pistolero. Mary Lou and I attended the week long NRA Police Firearm Instructor School at Camp Perry 4 years in a row, also attending the Small Arms Firing School (SAFS) conducted by the military for M-16 and service pistol. I have gotten out some of the instructor manuals and looked them over. We also were invited up to NYPD Firearms Unit and spent a day with those folks. We got to meet many people like Bill Jordan, Frank Mcgee, Dan Wesson, and Herb Binsbacher. I shot PPC competition and once shot next to Frank May who was the National Police Champion at that time. Pretty heady stuff for a comparative novice. Didn't mean to run on so but I am amazed at changes that have taken place. Thanks again for transcribing the course for us. Quantrill

David Park · August 14, 2002, 07:52 PM

I shot the police qualification at my local range today with three different handguns, trying to decide which one to use in NJ. Which target are you going to use, the B21E again? I used a B27E silhouette, which is obviously very easy to hit, and I'm currently studying my groups. I think I'll be using my carry gun, SIG P239 in 9mm, simply because it's easiest to shoot one-handed, which helps during those difficult 25-yard shots.

Tip: don't try the 1-yard drill with hanging paper targets. The first shot blew the target back so it was nearly horizontal, and my second shot ripped a long 3-inch hole through it.

After that, I moved the target back to 3 yards.

K80Geoff · August 14, 2002, 08:34 PM

Oh Great! Everyone is practising for the shoot.

Now I am going to have to practice too if I expect to uphold my last performance.

As I remember the only mandatory one handed hold is the shots at the 5 yard line. The 25 yard shots can be supported.

Since I am going to be using a 1911 I will be able to shoot SA

Most of the misses I had last time were shots taken DA.

Where is Rovert, he has been awfull quiet lately, been out workin out with the Kimber?

RAY WOODROW 3RD · August 14, 2002, 09:08 PM

You are correct K80Geoff. The 25 yard shots are with a supporting hand. Looks like you have some serious competition comming your way! 1st place last time was you, 2nd place was FlyinGn, and 3rd was Rovert. Remember, FlyinGn has that new Spectre 45 love fest machine that is half Glock and Half 1911. He's been pretty quiet too............The quiet before the storm

and yes, the B21E will be used again David.

FlyinGN · August 15, 2002, 05:32 AM

heh heh.......

Dead · August 15, 2002, 10:11 AM

I would like to attend,but I will be in Montreal that weekend. Though Sunday I am getting a full day of range time in

jmlv · August 15, 2002, 02:29 PM

scoped Super Redhawk 44 for the rope shoot?

rms/pa · August 15, 2002, 02:48 PM

will a DVD player be availible? ... if i can get SHE WHO MUST BE OBEYED to authorise my attendance , i can bring a copy of "kellys heros"

btw is barnagat any place close to barnagat hook?

rms/pa
the spelling errors contained in this post are in spite of the best efforts of the camp hill PA. school district.

August 11, 2002, 09:23 AM	#26
Quantrill Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 1999 Location: Arizona, USA Posts: 725	Contest Description Ray, I know you posted the PPC description on the other thread but it did not come up for me. It came up all gibberish. Would you please repeat the description of that and the other matches you intend holding. Also, if you can remember where they are, please bring along my old ammo can and the few 12 ga. shotshells that were in there. If no one else is bringing Dillon's VCR tape,"Machine Gun Magic", I'll look around and see if I can find my copy. Quantrill

August 11, 2002, 02:34 PM	#27
RAY WOODROW 3RD Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 1999 Location: Beverly, N.J. U.S.A. Posts: 784	I still have your old beat up army can sitting next to my ammo locker. 1st event, the rope shoot. 2nd event, the pin shoot, 3rd event, police qualification shoot. Bring a $20.00 and your set for the day. Bring your own ammo. No hollow points. You will need at least 100 rounds but I would bring more. 60 rounds for the police qual and the rest for the rope & pin shoot. If you have a holster, bring it for the police qual. Arrival time: 9:30am Start shooting: 10:00am Fees: There will be 3 competitions held. Each competition costs $5.00. The winner of each match will win half of the 50/50 pot. The other half will go torwards the club. Food: All you can eat hotdogs, soda, water, and fruit will be on hand for $5.00. 1st Competition: The rope shoot. Individuals will shoot in groups of 4's. The winner of each group will compete with the other group winners for an over all winner. What is a rope shoot you say? A rope shoot is a laundry line rope that hangs freely in front of the impact area with a suspended log attached to the other end. Individuals start out at 20 yards with 6 shots and try to cut the rope in half. If not done at 20 yards the group moves up to 15 yards and so on in 5 yard incriments until there is a winner. 2nd Competition: The pin shoot. Individuals will shoot in groups of 4's at 4 bowling pins each. With 6 shots you must clear the pins off of the rack and onto the ground. If not done at 20 yards the group moves up to 15 yards and so on in 5 yard incriments until there is a winner. 3rd Competition: The N.J. Police Qualification course. BACK BY POPULAR DEMAND! You will need 60 rounds for this timed shoot. The individual that scores the highest wins. We are going to shoot the 60 round course of fire starting out at 25 yards and working our way in to 1 yard. Page # 9-62 will give you the rundown on the course for those of you who want to practice. It is Qualification "IS R HQC 1". the course is timed and you will be shooting from various positions, weak hand, drawing from holster reloading, etc. http://www.state.nj.us/lps/dcj/agguide/firearms2001.pdf Any other questions feel free to ask. __________________ __________________ "MOST talk the talk but can NEVER walk the walk." "The key to success in ANY battle is effective communications." From NJ? Check out "njcsd.com"

August 11, 2002, 09:49 PM	#28
RAY WOODROW 3RD Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 1999 Location: Beverly, N.J. U.S.A. Posts: 784	Flyer for the shoot..... THE BUCKEYE GUN CLUB'S NEW JERSEY TFL GET TOGETHER & PISTOL SHOOT WHAT: Rope, pin, and police qualification shoot. WHEN: Saturday, August 24Th 9:30a.m. sign up, 10:00a.m. shoot. WHERE: Buckeye Gun Club, 501 Rt.72E Barnegat, N.J. Come and enjoy the company of fellow TFLer's in the surrounding areas as we get together to shoot the breeze and a few other items as well while supporting a good cause, the Buckeye Gun Club. Food and beverages will be on hand. Targets will be provided. __________________ __________________ "MOST talk the talk but can NEVER walk the walk." "The key to success in ANY battle is effective communications." From NJ? Check out "njcsd.com"

August 11, 2002, 09:58 PM	#29
Jamie Young Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2000 Location: SE/PA Posts: 4,834	I'm still laughing about the title of this thread. Come to think of it, the last thread was just as funny. __________________ Find out about Gun Shows and Training activities. www.TheRallyPoint.org Get your gun club involved!!

August 11, 2002, 10:07 PM	#30
RAY WOODROW 3RD Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 1999 Location: Beverly, N.J. U.S.A. Posts: 784	SodaPop.... Are you showing up later? __________________ __________________ "MOST talk the talk but can NEVER walk the walk." "The key to success in ANY battle is effective communications." From NJ? Check out "njcsd.com"

August 11, 2002, 10:15 PM	#31
Jamie Young Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2000 Location: SE/PA Posts: 4,834	I'm trying to weezle out of my duties Saturday. I have a feeling its probable not going to be until about 6-7pm. There is a possibility I won't be able to make it at all though. I suppose to be going to my Uncle and my two nephews to the shore. But I'm going to see if I can drive down separate and leave early. I'll pack My Colt and Single six but I doubt I'll be there for any of the competitions. __________________ Find out about Gun Shows and Training activities. www.TheRallyPoint.org Get your gun club involved!!

August 12, 2002, 07:56 AM	#32
Quantrill Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 1999 Location: Arizona, USA Posts: 725	PPC Ray, Sorry to be a pain but I still can't get the PPC description to come up on my old computer. Could you possibly cut and paste it for me??? Quantrill

August 12, 2002, 03:21 PM	#33
3 gun Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 1999 Location: N41 24.283 W81 43.370 N.E.Ohio Posts: 561	Can anyone play? I feel a road trip coming on (if I don't have to work). Do you have to use the same pistol in all 3 shoots or can you change off? __________________ Change you can believe in... Pre-65 US silver coins NRA RSO & Certified Instructor in rifle, pistol, shotgun. An unloaded pistol is a paperweight. Opportunity knocks..Trouble kicks down the door.

August 12, 2002, 04:39 PM	#34
RAY WOODROW 3RD Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 1999 Location: Beverly, N.J. U.S.A. Posts: 784	3 gun.... You can change off. I'll extend the offer to you also. Anybody wanting too can crash at the club that night. I'll be staying down along with K80Geoff, David Park, and a few others. We can sleep 36 individuals so don't feel like it will be cramped quarters. David Park will be bringing a bunch of gun flicks and SodaPop will be providing the popcorn. The more the merrier. Any other questions people feel free to ask. __________________ __________________ "MOST talk the talk but can NEVER walk the walk." "The key to success in ANY battle is effective communications." From NJ? Check out "njcsd.com"

August 12, 2002, 05:42 PM	#36
RAY WOODROW 3RD Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 1999 Location: Beverly, N.J. U.S.A. Posts: 784	Quantrill..... I can't cut and paste because it will not allow me so I will hand type the course just for you. You better show up! IS R HQC 1 1st group of shots from 25 yards, 12 total shots: Position: Kneeling strong side cover, 30 sec. Shooter will start standing 2 yards behind the barricade. On command the shooter will move forward and fire 4 rds from the strong side of cover neeling. Remain behind cover in a ready position with visual focus torwards the threat area. Position: Over the top of cover, 30 sec. On command fire 4 rds over the top of cover. Remain behind cover in a ready position with visual focus torwards the threat area. Position: Support side of cover, neeling or standing(strong hand), 30 sec. On command fire 4 rds with the strong hand (support is recommended)from the support side of cover neeling or standing. Reload if necessary decoc and holster. Replenish loading devices. 2nd group of shots from 15 yards, 12 total shots: Position: Standing, 5 sec. Draw and fire 3 rds standing, decoc and holster. Position: Standing & neeling, 25 sec. Draw and fire 3 rds standing, assume a neeling position and fire 6 rds neeling. 3rd group of shots from 10 yards, 6 total shots: Position: Ready, 3 groups of 2 shots on command, 3 sec. From the ready position fire 2 rds on each command to fire. 4th group of shots from 7 yards, 12 total shots: Position: Standing Draw, fire 3 rds, decoc and holster 4 sec. Draw, fire 3 rds, make magazine change, fire 15 sec. Draw, fire 3 rds, decoc and holster 4 sec. 5th group of shots from 5 yards, total 12 shots: Position: Standing one hand, strong side. 3 groups of 2 shots on command, 4 sec. Draw and fire 2 rds one-handed with the strong hand, decoc and holster. Position: Standing one hand, support hand. 3 groups of 2 shots on command, 3 sec. Weapon should be in the support hand at the ready. Fire 2 shots one-handed with the support hand each command, return to the ready. 6th group of shots from 1 yard, 6 total shots: Position: Standing, weapon retention. 3 groups of 2 shots on command, 2 sec. Assume an interview stance position. Draw and fire 2 rds from the weapon retetion position, decoc and holster. __________________ __________________ "MOST talk the talk but can NEVER walk the walk." "The key to success in ANY battle is effective communications." From NJ? Check out "njcsd.com"

August 12, 2002, 06:40 PM	#37
FlyinGN Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2001 Location: South Jersey Posts: 402	wow, possible Ohio people coming! This has got the potential to be (maybe) the biggest TFL get together.. Im counting the days.. Frank

August 12, 2002, 08:59 PM	#38
Jamie Young Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2000 Location: SE/PA Posts: 4,834	Ray- what are the most TFL members we've ever had come to one of these shoots? You always have a lot of "guests" so I always loose track. The most I've ever had was 13 at the "Pop Festival" last January. If we could just get everyone to come back I'd probable have close to 40 TFL members at one of the W&W shoots. I was just thinking the other day that I have met about 75 TFL members. Some just at gun shows (that keep saying they're coming) and the rest at gatherings. __________________ Find out about Gun Shows and Training activities. www.TheRallyPoint.org Get your gun club involved!!

August 12, 2002, 09:57 PM	#39
Quantrill Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 1999 Location: Arizona, USA Posts: 725	Sleep & Snore & Shoot & Snooze & etc. Ray, Thanks a load. I am planning on attending. Quantrill

August 12, 2002, 10:05 PM	#40
RAY WOODROW 3RD Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 1999 Location: Beverly, N.J. U.S.A. Posts: 784	SodaPop..... We had 10 accual TFLers at the last Jersey shoot and about 5 guests. This up coming gathering is looking pretty good so far. The shoot I went to up at W&W that you were holding was right about the same from what I saw. __________________ __________________ "MOST talk the talk but can NEVER walk the walk." "The key to success in ANY battle is effective communications." From NJ? Check out "njcsd.com"

August 12, 2002, 10:11 PM	#41
Jamie Young Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2000 Location: SE/PA Posts: 4,834	Yeah we were 13 TFL and 2 guests. I wish I could come early. __________________ Find out about Gun Shows and Training activities. www.TheRallyPoint.org Get your gun club involved!!

August 12, 2002, 10:18 PM	#42
RAY WOODROW 3RD Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 1999 Location: Beverly, N.J. U.S.A. Posts: 784	Here is the line up so far....... 1)Ray Woodrow 3rd 2)Mrs.Woody6(my better half) 3)Quantril 4)Quantril's better half 5)Parmasan 6)ammoeater 7)ammoeater's friend 8)K80Geoff 9)Hardcase 10)pdmoderator 11)pdmoderator's better half 12)David Park 13)jmlv 14)FlyinGn 15)FlyinGn's better half 16)FlyinGn's father-inlaw 17)Ray Woodrow Jr. 18)Daniel Weston 19)Russel Down 20)Ed Pittman 21)Make Mine A Nine 22)Rovert 23)Rovert's friend 24)Dot_mdb 25)CReynolds(maybe) 26)lochaber(maybe) 27)DannyBoy(maybe) 28)rms/pa 29)YOU! WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR! Anyone else feel like coming out to play? Let me know so I can add you to the list! __________________ __________________ "MOST talk the talk but can NEVER walk the walk." "The key to success in ANY battle is effective communications." From NJ? Check out "njcsd.com" Last edited by RAY WOODROW 3RD; August 15, 2002 at 04:12 PM.

August 13, 2002, 06:43 PM	#43
Quantrill Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 1999 Location: Arizona, USA Posts: 725	PPC Ray, WOW! What a change from the way I was taught and later taught others. I shot my first PPC in 1968 at Atlantic City Police range. It was called the FBI Academy Course at that time. Back then, There were no automatics allowed and everything was set-up for a revolver. I still have the original pictured text using only 5 shot loadings in a wheel gun and starting in the prone position at 60 yards. The 5 shot loadings was a holdover from the days of letting your hammer rest on an empty cylinder. One also had to run from cover to cover during the allotted time. Later on I qualified a few police depts. in Atlantic County with a Game Warden who was a pretty savvy pistolero. Mary Lou and I attended the week long NRA Police Firearm Instructor School at Camp Perry 4 years in a row, also attending the Small Arms Firing School (SAFS) conducted by the military for M-16 and service pistol. I have gotten out some of the instructor manuals and looked them over. We also were invited up to NYPD Firearms Unit and spent a day with those folks. We got to meet many people like Bill Jordan, Frank Mcgee, Dan Wesson, and Herb Binsbacher. I shot PPC competition and once shot next to Frank May who was the National Police Champion at that time. Pretty heady stuff for a comparative novice. Didn't mean to run on so but I am amazed at changes that have taken place. Thanks again for transcribing the course for us. Quantrill

August 14, 2002, 07:52 PM	#44
David Park Senior Member Join Date: June 29, 2001 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 1,224	I shot the police qualification at my local range today with three different handguns, trying to decide which one to use in NJ. Which target are you going to use, the B21E again? I used a B27E silhouette, which is obviously very easy to hit, and I'm currently studying my groups. I think I'll be using my carry gun, SIG P239 in 9mm, simply because it's easiest to shoot one-handed, which helps during those difficult 25-yard shots. Tip: don't try the 1-yard drill with hanging paper targets. The first shot blew the target back so it was nearly horizontal, and my second shot ripped a long 3-inch hole through it. After that, I moved the target back to 3 yards.

August 14, 2002, 08:34 PM	#45
K80Geoff Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 1998 Location: NE Pennsylvania Posts: 3,639	Oh Great! Everyone is practising for the shoot. Now I am going to have to practice too if I expect to uphold my last performance. As I remember the only mandatory one handed hold is the shots at the 5 yard line. The 25 yard shots can be supported. Since I am going to be using a 1911 I will be able to shoot SA Most of the misses I had last time were shots taken DA. Where is Rovert, he has been awfull quiet lately, been out workin out with the Kimber? __________________ I am no longer a member of this forum. Bye! Last edited by K80Geoff; August 14, 2002 at 11:36 PM.

August 14, 2002, 09:08 PM	#46
RAY WOODROW 3RD Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 1999 Location: Beverly, N.J. U.S.A. Posts: 784	They are getting ready! You are correct K80Geoff. The 25 yard shots are with a supporting hand. Looks like you have some serious competition comming your way! 1st place last time was you, 2nd place was FlyinGn, and 3rd was Rovert. Remember, FlyinGn has that new Spectre 45 love fest machine that is half Glock and Half 1911. He's been pretty quiet too............The quiet before the storm and yes, the B21E will be used again David. __________________ __________________ "MOST talk the talk but can NEVER walk the walk." "The key to success in ANY battle is effective communications." From NJ? Check out "njcsd.com"

August 15, 2002, 05:32 AM	#47
FlyinGN Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2001 Location: South Jersey Posts: 402	heh heh.......

August 15, 2002, 10:11 AM	#48
Dead Senior Member Join Date: June 5, 2000 Location: AoW Land, USA Posts: 1,968	I would like to attend,but I will be in Montreal that weekend. Though Sunday I am getting a full day of range time in __________________ Dead [Black Ops] www.therallypoint.org

August 15, 2002, 02:29 PM	#49
jmlv Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2001 Location: PA AMERICA STARTS HERE! Posts: 739	Hmmm Can I use my scoped Super Redhawk 44 for the rope shoot? __________________ JMLV NEW PA RESIDENT TFL ALUMNUS MOLON LABE!

August 15, 2002, 02:48 PM	#50
rms/pa Senior Member Join Date: April 5, 2000 Location: penn's woods / USA Posts: 105	will a DVD player be availible? ... if i can get SHE WHO MUST BE OBEYED to authorise my attendance , i can bring a copy of "kellys heros" btw is barnagat any place close to barnagat hook? rms/pa the spelling errors contained in this post are in spite of the best efforts of the camp hill PA. school district.