S&W Issues Recall for Walther PPK/PPKs Models - Page 2

orchidhunter · February 24, 2009, 04:31 PM

PBP, Thanks for making the call to S&W, the info you got from them will help alot of folks out. Again thanks, orchidhunter

JBriggs · February 24, 2009, 04:55 PM

Thank you all for the heads up b/c I have ppk/s that falls within the recall. Does anyone know how long it will take them to make the retrofit and return it, for I have never experienced a recall with S&W.

I am sad because I am going to have to part with my favorite sidearm for a while.

Playboypenguin · February 24, 2009, 07:24 PM

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I'm just a tad over 6 ft tall and 170 lbs, so obviously not obese. However, I've never shot a "New S&W PPK" and never will. Its not hammer bite that gets people its slide bite.

It was your post that made me decide to call...I am now glad I saw it and called.

royaluno · February 25, 2009, 06:44 AM

Does this mean all the other ppk/s and ppks made by all the other companys are unsafe or was there a design change?
Thanks

hhb · February 25, 2009, 07:31 AM

The hammer block part in the S&W series is only a skeletonized version of the ones in the German, French and Interarms series. The part is easy to remove, and would only take a couple of minutes to switch it out IF THEY HAVE THE PART! I can see how the S&W part would fail if the hammer was dropped repeatedly. It would fracture, bend, or break.

hhb · February 25, 2009, 01:02 PM

Just got an e-mail from S&W stating it will take a few weeks to mail out the return labels, and repair time is estimated to be 10-12 weeks.

Playboypenguin · February 25, 2009, 01:07 PM

That seems excessive to me. They better be coming up with some way to appease people like myself who might just decide to never buy another S&W product if they do not handle this correctly.

TLeo · February 25, 2009, 05:23 PM

10-12 weeks??? I guess they expect a lot of returns but if it's supposed to be such a simple fix, that is way too long. I'll just go back to carrying my glock 30sf and put my ppk away or use it as trade bait for something else...maybe a sig 232?

varoadking · February 25, 2009, 07:41 PM

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Recall of the recall notice, it will be hard to put any faith in what S&W says or does about this big mess.

There's no better company to put your faith in...IMHO, of course...

dajowi · February 27, 2009, 02:15 AM

Now another S&W product recall.

And they can't get the information right on their website

Obviously they have serious quality control issues.

MartyG · February 27, 2009, 09:08 PM

S&W told me today they're waiting until mid-March just to send out the return authorizations and UPS labels. She said that since the recall went back to 2002, they really don't have a good handle on how many PPKs or PPK/S are still "out there." Great! Why wait 3 weeks before even authorizing return? Now mine sits on the shelf like a "hanger queen," while my J-Frame takes over active duty.
She said they have no idea what the eventual turn-around time will be.

(silver lining to this black cloud) Now I'm not concerned about the backorder from Midway on the case of .380

chopz · February 28, 2009, 07:00 PM

darn form on their website doesn't seem to work. every time i hit "submit" i get a message saying all fields must be filled out, even when they already are.

chopz · February 28, 2009, 07:02 PM

by the way, thanks for the heads up.

Playboypenguin · February 28, 2009, 09:35 PM

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darn form on their website doesn't seem to work. every time i hit "submit" i get a message saying all fields must be filled out, even when they already are.

Make sure the too pull down menus are selected for state and country. I was having that problem and realized I did not use the second pull down menu to select USA. I missed it because they are not actual blank spaces.

chopz · March 1, 2009, 02:30 PM

went back today. my screwup was leaving spaces in my phone number.

Kurt+P+ · March 2, 2009, 10:03 AM

I actually experienced this malfunction at the firing range. Disengaging the manual safety (which lowers the hammer) actually caused the pistol to fire. Surprised the hell out of me the first time, fortunately I was smart enough to have the pistol pointed downrange when I did it. This is one of the reasons I got rid of the damn thing along with the fact that it constantly jammed when using ammunition other than Federal Eagle. I wonder if Smith & Wesson quality control problems extend into other areas as well such as their revolver lines. Makes me very hesitant to buy any of their products.

OnTarget · March 2, 2009, 09:15 PM

I got the same e-mail about couple weeks to get label (now not sent until mid-March per another post) and 10-12 weeks for repair. Is that them erring on the side of caution? I sure hope so. I would guess that if you hedge on sending it in, the delay in getting it back will increase in the short term, but I have a hard time believing it can be that long.

Erik · March 2, 2009, 09:21 PM

Smith and Wesson Recall: Walther PPK and PPK/S Series

On February 20, 2009 Smith & Wesson Corp. issued a recall of certain pistols that could fire without the trigger being pulled. The gun maker said it was recalling all Walther PPK and PPK/S pistols that it manufactured from March 21, 2002, until February 3, 2009.

Smith & Wesson posted a recall notice on its Web site at:

PPK Hammer Block Recall - Smith & Wesson

The issue is a problem in the affected pistol models that "may permit a round to be discharged without the trigger being pulled." Smith & Wesson has identified a condition that may exist in certain PPK and PPK/S pistols which may permit a round to be discharged without the trigger being pulled. When the manual safety is disengaged, Smith & Wesson's Product Engineering Group has determined that the possibility exists in certain firearms that lowering the hammer may cause a chambered round to fire.

This recall applies to all Walther PPK and PPK/S pistols manufactured by Smith & Wesson from March 21, 2002, until February 3, 2009.

The Serial Numbers of the pistol subject to this recall are as follows:

0010BAB - 9999BAB
0000BAC - 9999BAC
0000BAD - 9999BAD
0000BAE - 9999BAE
0000BAF - 9999BAF
0000BAH - 9999BAH
0000BAJ - 9999BAJ
0000BAK - 9999BAK
0000BAL - 5313BAL
0000BAM - 1320BAM
0000LTD - 0499LTD
0001PPK - 1500PPK
0026REP - 0219REP
0001WLE - 0459WLE

To facilitate the repair of these pistols, please contact Smith & Wesson's customer service department to receive instructions for the return of your pistol to Smith & Wesson. You will receive a UPS pre-paid billable stamp and shipping instructions to arrange for the modification of your pistol by calling Smith & Wesson directly at 1-800-331-0852. Smith & Wesson, will replace the existing hammer block feature with a new part at no cost to owners. The firearm will be returned and owners should note a punch dot which appears at the back of the frame. This marking is verification that the new hammer block has been installed and that your pistol is safe to handle.

orchidhunter · March 3, 2009, 12:47 PM

Expensive mistake -

Smith & Wesson Sees $900,000-$1.3M Impact From Pistol Recall
Tuesday 02/24/2009 4:44 PM ET - Dow Jones News

WASHINGTON (Dow Jones)--Smith & Wesson Holding Corp. (SWHC) said Tuesday that, in connection with a recall of some Walther PPK and PPK/S pistols produced by the company, it expects a negative effect on net income of between $900,000 and $1.3 million.
The pistols are being recalled because the company identified a condition that may permit a round to be discharged without the trigger being pulled, according to a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
The company is recalling all Walther PPK and PPK/S pistols manufactured from March 21, 2002, through Feb. 3, 2009.
The company said it will replace the hammer block in every pistol that is returned.
Shares of the Springfield, Mass., company closed Tuesday at $3.53, up 15.74%, but fell in after-hours trading 6.52% to $3.30. orchidhunter

hhb · March 3, 2009, 05:37 PM

I got all excited when I received a return package for my PPK/s, and discovered it was for an LCP that I have already sold.

HisSoldier · March 4, 2009, 02:38 PM

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I actually experienced this malfunction at the firing range. Disengaging the manual safety (which lowers the hammer) actually caused the pistol to fire.

Please, someone explain this to me. Engaging the safety lowers the hammer, right? If the hammer block were broken and you engaged the safety the hammer would drop and could possible hit the firing pin.

If you disengaged the safety, well, the hammer is already down! Right? How could it have enough force to hit the firing pin? The reason I'm making such a fervent point about this is that that is how S&W phrased it also, "Disengaging the safety".
Is this just a poor choice of one word or is there some miraculous force that draws the hammer back again when you disengage the safety?

coondogger · March 5, 2009, 07:15 AM

I assume this doesn't affect the Interarms models. Am I correct?

MartyG · March 5, 2009, 11:05 AM

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I assume this doesn't affect the Interarms models. Am I correct?

Page up and read post #29, and the response #30

TLeo · March 5, 2009, 11:28 AM

HisSoldier I wondered about that wording myself. If it has a chance of firing when the safety/decock is engaged causing the hammer to fall.... that seems different than if the safety is already on/hammer down and it is disengaged. Why not just chamber the first round with the safety/decock down to start with?

HisSoldier · March 7, 2009, 01:24 PM

Well, I've thought about it a bit. I'm not sending mine in without better info. Not with the wait they are talking about. They need to cough up exactly what the problem really is, and the fix. If I can fix it by replacing the safety why should I lose all that time?

February 24, 2009, 04:55 PM	#27
JBriggs Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 328	Thank you all for the heads up b/c I have ppk/s that falls within the recall. Does anyone know how long it will take them to make the retrofit and return it, for I have never experienced a recall with S&W. I am sad because I am going to have to part with my favorite sidearm for a while. __________________ Bear Arms or Wear Chains

February 25, 2009, 01:02 PM	#31
hhb Senior Member Join Date: May 24, 2007 Location: Foothills of the Ozarks Posts: 316	Repair time Just got an e-mail from S&W stating it will take a few weeks to mail out the return labels, and repair time is estimated to be 10-12 weeks.

March 2, 2009, 09:21 PM	#43
Erik Senior Member Join Date: December 24, 1999 Location: America Posts: 3,479	Smith and Wesson Recall: Walther PPK and PPK/S Series On February 20, 2009 Smith & Wesson Corp. issued a recall of certain pistols that could fire without the trigger being pulled. The gun maker said it was recalling all Walther PPK and PPK/S pistols that it manufactured from March 21, 2002, until February 3, 2009. Smith & Wesson posted a recall notice on its Web site at: PPK Hammer Block Recall - Smith & Wesson The issue is a problem in the affected pistol models that "may permit a round to be discharged without the trigger being pulled." Smith & Wesson has identified a condition that may exist in certain PPK and PPK/S pistols which may permit a round to be discharged without the trigger being pulled. When the manual safety is disengaged, Smith & Wesson's Product Engineering Group has determined that the possibility exists in certain firearms that lowering the hammer may cause a chambered round to fire. This recall applies to all Walther PPK and PPK/S pistols manufactured by Smith & Wesson from March 21, 2002, until February 3, 2009. The Serial Numbers of the pistol subject to this recall are as follows: 0010BAB - 9999BAB 0000BAC - 9999BAC 0000BAD - 9999BAD 0000BAE - 9999BAE 0000BAF - 9999BAF 0000BAH - 9999BAH 0000BAJ - 9999BAJ 0000BAK - 9999BAK 0000BAL - 5313BAL 0000BAM - 1320BAM 0000LTD - 0499LTD 0001PPK - 1500PPK 0026REP - 0219REP 0001WLE - 0459WLE To facilitate the repair of these pistols, please contact Smith & Wesson's customer service department to receive instructions for the return of your pistol to Smith & Wesson. You will receive a UPS pre-paid billable stamp and shipping instructions to arrange for the modification of your pistol by calling Smith & Wesson directly at 1-800-331-0852. Smith & Wesson, will replace the existing hammer block feature with a new part at no cost to owners. The firearm will be returned and owners should note a punch dot which appears at the back of the frame. This marking is verification that the new hammer block has been installed and that your pistol is safe to handle. __________________ Meriam Webster's: Main Entry: ci·vil·ian Pronunciation: \sə-ˈvil-yən also -ˈvi-yən\, Function: noun, Date: 14th century, 1: a specialist in Roman or modern civil law, 2 a: one not on active duty in the armed services or not on a police or firefighting force b: outsider 1, — civilian adjective

March 3, 2009, 05:37 PM	#45
hhb Senior Member Join Date: May 24, 2007 Location: Foothills of the Ozarks Posts: 316	Recall I got all excited when I received a return package for my PPK/s, and discovered it was for an LCP that I have already sold. Last edited by hhb; March 3, 2009 at 05:48 PM.

March 5, 2009, 07:15 AM	#47
coondogger Senior Member Join Date: January 24, 2009 Posts: 120	I assume this doesn't affect the Interarms models. Am I correct? __________________ Tu ne cede malis

February 24, 2009, 04:31 PM	#26
orchidhunter Junior member Join Date: December 1, 2008 Posts: 320	PBP, Thanks for making the call to S&W, the info you got from them will help alot of folks out. Again thanks, orchidhunter

February 25, 2009, 06:44 AM	#29
royaluno Junior Member Join Date: February 15, 2009 Posts: 13	ppk/s Does this mean all the other ppk/s and ppks made by all the other companys are unsafe or was there a design change? Thanks

February 25, 2009, 07:31 AM	#30
hhb Senior Member Join Date: May 24, 2007 Location: Foothills of the Ozarks Posts: 316	S&W Walthers The hammer block part in the S&W series is only a skeletonized version of the ones in the German, French and Interarms series. The part is easy to remove, and would only take a couple of minutes to switch it out IF THEY HAVE THE PART! I can see how the S&W part would fail if the hammer was dropped repeatedly. It would fracture, bend, or break.

February 25, 2009, 01:07 PM	#32
Playboypenguin Junior member Join Date: February 27, 2006 Location: Great Pacific Northwest Posts: 11,515	That seems excessive to me. They better be coming up with some way to appease people like myself who might just decide to never buy another S&W product if they do not handle this correctly.

February 25, 2009, 05:23 PM	#33
TLeo Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 2009 Location: NC Posts: 254	10-12 weeks??? I guess they expect a lot of returns but if it's supposed to be such a simple fix, that is way too long. I'll just go back to carrying my glock 30sf and put my ppk away or use it as trade bait for something else...maybe a sig 232?

February 27, 2009, 02:15 AM	#35
dajowi Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2005 Posts: 1,196	Now another S&W product recall. And they can't get the information right on their website Obviously they have serious quality control issues.

February 27, 2009, 09:08 PM	#36
MartyG Senior Member Join Date: September 23, 2008 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 130	S&W told me today they're waiting until mid-March just to send out the return authorizations and UPS labels. She said that since the recall went back to 2002, they really don't have a good handle on how many PPKs or PPK/S are still "out there." Great! Why wait 3 weeks before even authorizing return? Now mine sits on the shelf like a "hanger queen," while my J-Frame takes over active duty. She said they have no idea what the eventual turn-around time will be. (silver lining to this black cloud) Now I'm not concerned about the backorder from Midway on the case of .380

February 28, 2009, 07:00 PM	#37
chopz Senior Member Join Date: June 6, 2007 Posts: 184	darn form on their website doesn't seem to work. every time i hit "submit" i get a message saying all fields must be filled out, even when they already are.

February 28, 2009, 07:02 PM	#38
chopz Senior Member Join Date: June 6, 2007 Posts: 184	by the way, thanks for the heads up.

March 1, 2009, 02:30 PM	#40
chopz Senior Member Join Date: June 6, 2007 Posts: 184	went back today. my screwup was leaving spaces in my phone number.

March 2, 2009, 10:03 AM	#41
Kurt+P+ Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2008 Posts: 119	I actually experienced this malfunction at the firing range. Disengaging the manual safety (which lowers the hammer) actually caused the pistol to fire. Surprised the hell out of me the first time, fortunately I was smart enough to have the pistol pointed downrange when I did it. This is one of the reasons I got rid of the damn thing along with the fact that it constantly jammed when using ammunition other than Federal Eagle. I wonder if Smith & Wesson quality control problems extend into other areas as well such as their revolver lines. Makes me very hesitant to buy any of their products.

March 2, 2009, 09:15 PM	#42
OnTarget Member Join Date: March 2, 2009 Location: CA Posts: 19	I got the same e-mail about couple weeks to get label (now not sent until mid-March per another post) and 10-12 weeks for repair. Is that them erring on the side of caution? I sure hope so. I would guess that if you hedge on sending it in, the delay in getting it back will increase in the short term, but I have a hard time believing it can be that long.

March 3, 2009, 12:47 PM	#44
orchidhunter Junior member Join Date: December 1, 2008 Posts: 320	Expensive mistake - Smith & Wesson Sees $900,000-$1.3M Impact From Pistol Recall Tuesday 02/24/2009 4:44 PM ET - Dow Jones News WASHINGTON (Dow Jones)--Smith & Wesson Holding Corp. (SWHC) said Tuesday that, in connection with a recall of some Walther PPK and PPK/S pistols produced by the company, it expects a negative effect on net income of between $900,000 and $1.3 million. The pistols are being recalled because the company identified a condition that may permit a round to be discharged without the trigger being pulled, according to a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The company is recalling all Walther PPK and PPK/S pistols manufactured from March 21, 2002, through Feb. 3, 2009. The company said it will replace the hammer block in every pistol that is returned. Shares of the Springfield, Mass., company closed Tuesday at $3.53, up 15.74%, but fell in after-hours trading 6.52% to $3.30. orchidhunter

March 5, 2009, 11:28 AM	#49
TLeo Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 2009 Location: NC Posts: 254	HisSoldier I wondered about that wording myself. If it has a chance of firing when the safety/decock is engaged causing the hammer to fall.... that seems different than if the safety is already on/hammer down and it is disengaged. Why not just chamber the first round with the safety/decock down to start with?

March 7, 2009, 01:24 PM	#50
HisSoldier Senior Member Join Date: August 9, 2007 Location: Oregoncoast Posts: 1,793	Well, I've thought about it a bit. I'm not sending mine in without better info. Not with the wait they are talking about. They need to cough up exactly what the problem really is, and the fix. If I can fix it by replacing the safety why should I lose all that time? __________________ CNC produced 416 stainless triggers to replace the plastic triggers on Colt Mustangs, Mustang Plus II's, MK IV Government .380's and Sig P238's and P938's. Plus Colt Mustang hardened 416 guide rods, and Llama .32 and .380 recoil spring buttons, checkered nicely and blued.

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