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October 7, 2013, 12:25 AM | #1 |
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EJ Owens; Legallyconcealed.org....
I was going over a website & Youtube video clip by a firearms/tactics instructor; "EJ Owens". Owens looks & speaks like a real hard-charger. His website bio/background states he was a "commissioned officer" in the US Army & that he has a detailed spec ops/counter-terrorist resume.
He's also reportedly a "EMT" & firefighter. The "home defense" DVD/video clip on his website has a few flaws/problems IMO. Owens comes off as very uptight & aggressive(see James Yeager & a few of his Tactical Response videos). Owens does impart a few important points for new/entry level training students but Im still a tad leery of his overall program. The company website; www.legallyconcealed.org says Owens is based in Orlando Florida but he does a lot of DoD/SOCOM/special ops classes all over. Im curious if any other TFL members saw his videos/DVDs or know if EJ Owens is legit. PM me if you want to stay private/not share your remarks. Thx; ClydeFrog |
October 7, 2013, 01:41 AM | #2 |
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I've never heard of Owens but I've seen a bunch of youtube vids on James Yeager and perhaps this applies...
I always learn better, from a person that I like, who's style of teaching that I enjoy. If you can not see yourself drinking a beer with the fella, than you probably do not need to buy his products. Yeager, and Owens are not the only two experts in the world. Personally, I would not buy a Yeager video. I looked at the Owens website and thought to myself, "tacky."
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October 7, 2013, 02:11 AM | #3 |
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Awww Shucks....
Owens strikes me as the "aww shucks" country boy but he also gets really uptight really fast.
The dark edits/production values were kinda creepy too. As I stated, I agreed with some of Owens statements but I think he puts to much on a "new" or starter level student to deal with. A US Army Ranger or ForceRecon Marine? Yeah, they'd be able to learn from a cadre like Owens but not a young single mother or a guy who's only firearm skills came from a video game system or a Daisy BB gun as a 10 year old kid. I take issue with Owens gripes about snub revolvers & the need to have a "bullet hose"(my term not his). Yes a 9x19mm can fire 15/20/30 round magazines which is superior to a revolver but are you going to shoot a robber/subject 10 or 15 times? Are you going to going to defend your home/property with a vest or range bag with 10 17rd pistol magazines? I highly doubt it. Most lethal force events(to include home intruders or break-ins) involve approx 3 rounds, in 3 seconds at a avg range of 0 to 3 feet. A 5/6 shot .38spl or .357magnum that you can aim, shoot or use one-handed is far better than a large pistol or M4 rifle that you just purchased. Owens(who says he's a veteran/US military instructor) knocks the 1911a1 platform too. Which seems extremely rare for most "operators" & license holders/avid gun enthusiasts. I would agree with Owens that a 1911 .45acp is not a good home protection pick for a new shooter(novice) but military veterans & advanced gun owners have packed the 1911a1 models for decades. Are they now doing something wrong? I could go on but I'll wait to get more TFL input... |
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I happen to agree with his assesment but not the way he would not just come out and say it......get advice from somone with knlowledge and experience, not from a video game. Quote:
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I can see why someone would prefer more of a teacher than a coach when learning about things like this but this Coach-like approach to teaching is effective in getting your attention in order to make certain points. It's not like he is teaching basket weaving or sensitivity training. Quote:
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October 7, 2013, 12:59 PM | #5 |
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Post #3....
In post #3 I explained my views.
I feel Owens comes on way to strong(agro as the kids say today, ) for new/entry level gun owners. Owens can get emotional & direct when discussing security issues but many people(the general audience) would get turned off by it. I would say that EJ Owens is correct about using a 20ga shotgun for home defense if that's what works best for all the adult family members(couples). I disagree with parts of the video/EJ Owens doctrine but each viewer can take away what they want from it. CF |
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October 7, 2013, 07:11 PM | #7 |
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guns, posts....
Is a roving biker gang going to surround your house?
The video & EJ Owens training doctrine doesn't & won't really affect me. It's also not about the "guns" you choose. It's how you use them to protect yourself and/or your family members. Owens doesn't bring up how to use a 12ga pump in a CQB event or how you'd deploy a M4 or 12ga shotgun without any problems. His training video is not entertainment. I'm making the points about his subject material too. The post isn't about me or what I choose to carry. There's nothing I could really get from Owens other than some fresh insight in techniques. Not hardware or weapons. |
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1) Redundant instruction by those already in the market place.
2) 14 yr military....special ops; trains all of them...gee, why are their army trainers not doing the training?...because they wanted a questionable trainer with little established facts on the person? 3) Just nonsense trying to get into the cash flow with the Obama scare-o-rama. 4) Checked his site, considered is his recent "special" on videos and a knife for 37.00...then saw the word misspelled... "training" before I hit send. Nawww, a real "Trainer" can spell "Training".... Look elsewhere for those tidbits that help you train and understand tactics. Me...just a 25yr Police Firearms Trainer and retired Army MP. And, the last thing I think of myself is worthy of videos and training special operations persons or you. Old post...but the guy is still out there. Last edited by Frank Ettin; November 23, 2014 at 04:19 PM. Reason: delete profanity |
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Let's call this one done.
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