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September 29, 2011, 06:40 PM | #26 |
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an ffl transfer is roughly 25 dollars and takes a half hour
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September 29, 2011, 06:59 PM | #27 |
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I hate to rain on parades, but I think that "loan" business has been tried and didn't work. The law says "transfer", and a permanent "loan" is a transfer. That does not mean that if you are in another state and have legally brought your gun along, that you can't let someone use it. But if you leave to go home, leaving him the gun, I think that would be seen as a transfer, since he would then have full and complete control of the gun.
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September 29, 2011, 07:41 PM | #28 |
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I would...
contact local law enforcement or contact a local gun dealer or contact a local attorney. Best wishes |
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You posted this question yesterday here. Didn't you like that answers you got? Well, it's still the same answer. Find a local FFL who will do the transfer. Then your father, or an FFL on his behalf, can then send the gun to your transfer FFL who will transfer the gun. It would be legal for the your father to send the gun directly to the transfer FFL, but some FFLs will not, as a matter of business practice, accept a gun for transfer directly from an individual. If your father brings the gun down, you can both visit the FFL together to do the transfer there. The transfer FFL will transfer the gun to you with all normal formalities, i. e., completion of a 4473 and satisfaction of any state law requirements in your State of residence. [1] Under federal law, any transfer (with a few, narrow exceptions, e. g., by bequest under a will) from a resident of one State to a resident of another must be through an FFL. [2] In the case of handguns, it must be an FFL in the transferee's State of residence. You may obtain a handgun in a State other than your State of residence, BUT it must be shipped by the transferor to an FFL in your State of residence to transfer the handgun to you. [3] In the case of long guns, it may be any FFL as long as (1) the long gun is legal in the transferee's State of residence; and (2) the transfer is in compliance with the laws of the State in which it takes place; and (3) the transfer complied with the law of the transferee's State of residence. [4] In connection with the transfer of a long gun, some FFLs will not want to handle the transfer to a resident of another State, because they may be uncertain about the laws of that State. And if the transferee resides in some States (e. g., California), the laws of the State may be such that an out-of-state FFL will not be able to conduct a transfer that complies. [5] There are no exceptions under the applicable federal laws for gifts, whether between relatives or otherwise, nor is there any exception for transactions between relatives. [6] The relevant federal laws may be found at: 18 USC 922(a)(3); 18 USC 922(a)(5); and 18 USC 922(b)(3). Quote:
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September 29, 2011, 08:14 PM | #30 |
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Since it is a state to state transfer, you must go through a FFL in NC and since it is NC you will need to apply to the local sheriff for a purchase permit.
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September 29, 2011, 08:49 PM | #31 | |
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The BATFE has a very narrow view of what constitutes "sporting." In fact, cowboy action shooting and IPSC/IDPA type practical shooting, last time I read up on it, were NOT included. So what they're basically talking about is high power rifle, traditional bullseye, trap and skeet, and hunting. And my guess as to what temporary means is something akin to, "Gee, I'm sorry the firing pin on your SuperBlaster X5 broke, but you can borrow my spare SuperBlaster X3 to finish the match." NOT "Keep it as long as you want." |
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September 29, 2011, 08:57 PM | #32 |
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If you are eleigible to legaly own a handgun, then your grampa can transport the gun to a dealer near you. You pay the dealer, and fill out the yellow form. It takes about 5 minutes. The dealer then checks to assure you filled it out correctly with all of the necessary information. He makes a phone call forhe NICS check. If approved he transfers the gun to you. You take it home and it is yours legaly.
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September 29, 2011, 09:26 PM | #33 |
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Threads merged. There may be duplicate answers in the combined thread.
.40 to go - please do not create a duplicate thread on the same subject even if they are in different forums. The Law forum is the correct one for this particular question. Note to all - some here are advocating or advising the commission of a felony. Whether that advice is willful or through ignorance of the law is immaterial. If you do not know the legal answer to a question as important as the one asked, your best course of action is to remain silent. |
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(The exception for loans is found in 18 USC 922(a)(5). It would allow you to loan a gun temporarily to someone visiting you from another State for some sporting purpose, e. g., target shooting, competition or hunting.) |
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September 29, 2011, 09:36 PM | #35 |
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Have Grandpa put it in his will and bequeath it to you. Eventually the gun will go to you (unless you die first) and you can drive down and pick it up. No transfer necessary. Meanwhile...
If Grandpa comes to visit in your state, he can bring the gun with him, y'all can go to a local FFL and do the transfer in person. If the gun is more than 50 years old (or on the C&R list) you can apply for your own collector's license (FFL 03) and pesky things like state lines won't matter; you can handle the transfer yourself. The license is cheap, is good for 3 years, and has other benefits.
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September 29, 2011, 11:44 PM | #36 |
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Re: Contacting local law enforcement...
Not to besmirch local cops, but they are often quite oblivious of Federal laws regarding firearms. I know, as I've received some very erroneous advice from well-meaning, but misinformed, local cop friends. (In NC, for that matter..., but also in Florida.) By friends, I mean people I'd work out with multiple times a week, go camping and whitewater rafting with, etc. In other words, people who really meant to give me good advice, but whose advice turned out to be wrong. And I've had a cousin, who was a Massachusetts cop at the time, get arrested in Maine by a game warden for violating a Maine firearms law while camping. So the local cops may or may not have any idea about laws in adjacent (or almost adjacent) states. If you want to check with an LE agency, ATF is who you want to contact, primarily. Last edited by MLeake; September 29, 2011 at 11:50 PM. |
September 29, 2011, 11:58 PM | #37 |
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Road trip
Next time you go there for a family visit, have him hand it to you then bring it home with you. It's not like North Carolina is like Kalifornia where you're expected to register every handgun you acquire. Kalifornia has weird laws about that. Let's say you buy a handgun from a private party at a gun show out of state and you bring it home with you. They actually expect you to turn it over to an FFL for the 10-day wait and register it, plus pay for the privilege of having to wait to get your gun back... but that's another story
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zucchi, see the earlier posts, including a couple by TFL Mods, telling people NOT to recommend committing felonies on TFL... Edit: Note that in post 29, fiddletown even listed the appropriate US Codes, that would explain why what you recommend is a felony.
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You clearly have no idea what the federal law regarding interstate transfer of firearms is. If you engage in multi-state transaction, you really need to do some studying. And as Mal H wrote in post 33: Quote:
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Agree that both state and federal law applies. And of course in NC one needs to comply with some unique, state formalities. But IME local police aren't familiar with federal law regarding firearms transfer.
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October 1, 2011, 07:19 PM | #42 |
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Is anyone else wondering why this keeps going on and on and on? FFL fees will max at about $50-75 dollars on this transaction. Why in the hell should anyone contact an attorney or law enforcement or any of the other things suggested here? Just have your granddad take it to his local gun store, have that gun store ship it to your gun store, and be done with it.
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October 1, 2011, 10:51 PM | #43 |
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wally626, I still wouldn't recommend just asking a local cop. Yes, state laws do apply - but I'd recommend finding out what agency actually regulates firearms sales and/or carry permits in the specific state, and checking with them. Not the city PD, not necessarily the county Sheriff (although I believe the Sheriff's Departments in NC do issue purchase permits, and would actually be the right people to check with in that specific instance).
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October 2, 2011, 10:17 AM | #44 |
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For the OP its fairly simple as far as NC goes. Federal law has said that any transfer of a pistol across state lines needs to go through an FFL, with a couple of narrow excpetions I have heard of, which I myself would not be comfortable doing, but thats just me.
If you want to go through with this, you find a FFL or Gunshop in your area. If you would give us an idea where in NC you live, myself, or others should be able to point you to a gunshop that can help you with this. Step 1. Go by your local Sheriffs Dept. Apply for a pistol purchase permit. should take about 5 min and a few bucks. I think the cost and the actual application still varies alittle by county. All they are doing is checking your criminal background. You may have to fill out the form and drop it off one day, then pick up the permit another day or so later. Step 2. Find arrange a local FFL/Gunshop to recieve the pistol when your grandfather has it sent to the FFL/Gunshop. This same FFL/Gunshop will handle the paperwork from there. Step 3. When the pistol has come in to the FFL/Gunshop, you stop by, fill out the 4473 form, and the FFL/Gunshop will do a nics check to check your background once again. You will also give the FFL/Gunshop the pistol permit you got from the Sheriffs Dept. If the nics check is clear, your good to go, and you take the pistol home after paying the transfer fee, usually around $25, but ask first when you talk to the FFL/Gunshop. Exception for Durham County Step 4. After you pick up the pistol you must register the pistol with Durham county gov. Since I live in another area of NC I do not know what they require, but the durham county website AFAIK did have it listed. Hope that this clears things up for you. Enjoy the gift! Last edited by Fishing_Cabin; October 2, 2011 at 10:30 AM. |
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