7.62x25

militant · June 30, 2014, 04:51 PM

I am looking at a CZ 52 chambered in 7.62x25 and this made me interested in the round. Some of the recent hollow point are delivering quite the velocity and ft lbs. How do you guys feel about this round for a EDC for defense?

2damnold4this · June 30, 2014, 04:59 PM

The round is interesting but the handguns it lives in aren't what I would choose for concealed carry.

Jim Watson · June 30, 2014, 05:00 PM

It ought to put a hurt on an assailant.

I don't know about the conditions of readiness with a CZ52. It is a single action with a safety having three positions, fire, safe, and decock. The decock is not as safe as other makes and even if it was, it leaves you with a single action at hammer down.
I think I would put in a screw or pin to block it away from the decock position so you wouldn't risk going beyond safe to decock.

James K · June 30, 2014, 05:45 PM

The CZ Model 52 has a two position, frame mounted safety, with no decocker. Or are we talking about the same gun?

Jim

Jim Watson · June 30, 2014, 06:46 PM

Wikipedia, Makarov.com, and world.guns.ru all describe the Czech CZ52 as having a decocking function on its safety.
Unfortunately, it is a single action, so that does not get you to a quick ready position. Worse, it is said to sometimes fail so as to fire the gun when tripped.
Which is why I would block that position if I had a CZ52.

smee78 · June 30, 2014, 07:21 PM

I carry one in the car for a car gun.

Cheapshooter · June 30, 2014, 08:15 PM

The guns made for 7.62X25 are large, heavy, and cumbersome. Not great qualities for CCW. The CZ, or correctly vz52 has the best safety of the guns chambered for this round, but is very large for the purpose. Finding quality, reliable SD ammo may also be a problem.
At the high velocity of the round, fmj would be out of the question due to inadequate expansion, and over penetration.
Finding an adequate concealable holster could be another challenge.
The CZ (vs) 52 is an interesting firearm with a unique and interesting mechanical action. Mine is a great shooter, and lots of fun. The 7.62X52 cartridge is equally interesting with it's bottle neck design, and high velocity. They just don't fit well in concealed carry.

Sight Unseen · July 1, 2014, 01:23 AM

Maybe you should look into the .357 sig round. Perhaps a glock 32/33, or a 23/27 with a swapped out barrel. That way you would get similar (if not better) performance plus increased capacity and MUCH better conceal-ability, especially in the sub-compact models.

JD0x0 · July 1, 2014, 01:41 AM

.357 sig is a good replacement for the .30 tokarev.

It'll fire 115 grain .355 cal bullets, which are similar in sectional density to the 85 and 90 grain .311-.312 cal projectiles at similar velocities to the 7.62x25

I'm thinking about getting a CZ75 or cz75 compact in .40S&W and converting to .357 sig for similar purposes.

gyvel · July 1, 2014, 02:16 AM

Many CZ 52s were recalled by Century Arms for having ADs when the decocker was used. Supposedly, they retrofitted new parts and marked them with a "Z" on the trigger guard. I had one that was retrofitted, marked with the "Z" and STILL had an AD when the decocker was used. So much for Century's safety recall.

When you go to buy one, take a small piece of 1/4" dowel with you and see if it gets launched when you use the decocker. If it does, you are looking at a very unsafe firearm. Run, do not walk away from it.

Once the novelty of a relatively unknown Combloc weapon wore off I think people began to see that the 52 was not all it was cracked up to be for several reasons. Personally, if you want to carry using that cartridge, I would look around for a Tokarev.

Cheapshooter · July 1, 2014, 08:55 AM

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Personally, if you want to carry using that cartridge, I would look around for a Tokarev.

With an eye toward your concern for safety with the CZ, have you noticed the crappy, add on safety on most Tokarevs commonly available?
The Hugo M57 has a bit more reliable safety, and one more round capacity, but is even more bulky.
The Tokarevs are slim, being single stack, and I like the ergonomics, but they are just too big, and heavy for CCW in my opinion.

elpablo · July 1, 2014, 06:46 PM

cool round but what are you gonna do when surplus dries up I want one too but I am gonna wait for the current administration to leave the office and then I think we will see an influx of cheap ammo and guns again

CWKahrFan · July 1, 2014, 08:34 PM

There's new production 7.62x25 around for ballpark about the same as 9mm...

http://www.selwayarmory.com/selliera...mj50rdbox.aspx

James K · July 1, 2014, 09:31 PM

Sorry, my error on the CZ 52. The decocker is activated by pressing the safety up past the normal SAFE position.

Jim

doofus47 · July 1, 2014, 09:38 PM

I used to carry a TTC with 7.62x25 as my backwoods pistol. I figured if it was good enough for the Russians to put in the field... And it worked for me while I had it.
I've heard of people using it for CCW, and I'm sure it would work, but I use 40 and 9mm for that task.

RJay · July 1, 2014, 10:16 PM

Just one more time, Never, Never use the decocker on a CZ52 if you have a live round in the chamber. I like the ideal of a screw as a block.

militant · July 1, 2014, 10:36 PM

What do you guys think a cz52 is worth in perfect shape?

peggysue · July 2, 2014, 04:21 AM

That ammo used to be pretty low priced. The CZ 52 is a well made rather good looking pistol in my opinion. Put a set of wood grips on it and looks even better.
http://www.marschalgrips.com/?conten...-mounted-right

gyvel · July 2, 2014, 05:43 AM

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What do you guys think a cz52 is worth in perfect shape?

By "perfect," if you mean absolute, pristine, 100%, with holster spare mag, cleaning rod and lanyard, about $350.00-$400.00 top dollar.

HawkeyeNRAlifer · July 4, 2014, 11:26 PM

I've used the decocker a few times om my CZ until I found out about the occasional mishaps. I have a bit of ball ammo for it, but a hollow point would make it more of a sd round. Mine is just used occasionally. Speaking of the Tok safeties, my 9mm one has the colored dots mismatched, with the red being on safe and the white being in the "hot" mode. Since I'm the only one to shoot it, I've yet to change the colors. Both of these beauties ran me about $105-115 back in the day.

June 30, 2014, 04:51 PM	#1
militant Senior Member Join Date: August 12, 2012 Location: USA Posts: 519	7.62x25 I am looking at a CZ 52 chambered in 7.62x25 and this made me interested in the round. Some of the recent hollow point are delivering quite the velocity and ft lbs. How do you guys feel about this round for a EDC for defense? __________________ A hit with a .22 is better than a miss with a .44

June 30, 2014, 07:21 PM	#6
smee78 Senior Member Join Date: July 14, 2008 Location: South Carolina Posts: 2,918	I carry one in the car for a car gun. __________________ We know exactly where one cow with Mad-cow-disease is located, among the millions and millions of cows in America, but we haven't got a clue where thousands of illegal immigrants and terrorists are

June 30, 2014, 08:15 PM	#7
Cheapshooter Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 8,306	The guns made for 7.62X25 are large, heavy, and cumbersome. Not great qualities for CCW. The CZ, or correctly vz52 has the best safety of the guns chambered for this round, but is very large for the purpose. Finding *quality*, reliable SD ammo may also be a problem. At the high velocity of the round, fmj would be out of the question due to inadequate expansion, and over penetration. Finding an adequate concealable holster could be another challenge. The CZ (vs) 52 is an interesting firearm with a unique and interesting mechanical action. Mine is a great shooter, and lots of fun. The 7.62X52 cartridge is equally interesting with it's bottle neck design, and high velocity. They just don't fit well in concealed carry. __________________ Cheapshooter's rules of gun ownership #1: NEVER SELL OR TRADE ANYTHING!

July 1, 2014, 08:34 PM	#13
CWKahrFan Senior Member Join Date: November 3, 2010 Posts: 2,016	There's new production 7.62x25 around for ballpark about the same as 9mm... http://www.selwayarmory.com/selliera...mj50rdbox.aspx __________________ What did Mrs. Bullet say to Mr. Bullet? ... "We're having a BeeBee!"... IF THE SHOE FITS, WEAR IT!... IF THE GUN FITS, SHOOT IT! "Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it."

July 1, 2014, 09:38 PM	#15
doofus47 Senior Member Join Date: June 9, 2010 Location: live in a in a house when i'm not in a tent Posts: 2,483	I used to carry a TTC with 7.62x25 as my backwoods pistol. I figured if it was good enough for the Russians to put in the field... And it worked for me while I had it. I've heard of people using it for CCW, and I'm sure it would work, but I use 40 and 9mm for that task. __________________ I'm right about the metric system 3/4 of the time.

June 30, 2014, 04:59 PM	#2
2damnold4this Senior Member Join Date: August 12, 2009 Location: Athens, Georgia Posts: 2,526	The round is interesting but the handguns it lives in aren't what I would choose for concealed carry.

June 30, 2014, 05:00 PM	#3
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,539	It ought to put a hurt on an assailant. I don't know about the conditions of readiness with a CZ52. It is a single action with a safety having three positions, fire, safe, and decock. The decock is not as safe as other makes and even if it was, it leaves you with a single action at hammer down. I think I would put in a screw or pin to block it away from the decock position so you wouldn't risk going beyond safe to decock.

June 30, 2014, 05:45 PM	#4
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	The CZ Model 52 has a two position, frame mounted safety, with no decocker. Or are we talking about the same gun? Jim

June 30, 2014, 06:46 PM	#5
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,539	Wikipedia, Makarov.com, and world.guns.ru all describe the Czech CZ52 as having a decocking function on its safety. Unfortunately, it is a single action, so that does not get you to a quick ready position. Worse, it is said to sometimes fail so as to fire the gun when tripped. Which is why I would block that position if I had a CZ52.

July 1, 2014, 01:23 AM	#8
Sight Unseen Member Join Date: October 7, 2012 Location: FL Posts: 55	Maybe you should look into the .357 sig round. Perhaps a glock 32/33, or a 23/27 with a swapped out barrel. That way you would get similar (if not better) performance plus increased capacity and MUCH better conceal-ability, especially in the sub-compact models.

July 1, 2014, 01:41 AM	#9
JD0x0 Senior Member Join Date: January 30, 2013 Posts: 1,037	.357 sig is a good replacement for the .30 tokarev. It'll fire 115 grain .355 cal bullets, which are similar in sectional density to the 85 and 90 grain .311-.312 cal projectiles at similar velocities to the 7.62x25 I'm thinking about getting a CZ75 or cz75 compact in .40S&W and converting to .357 sig for similar purposes.

July 1, 2014, 02:16 AM	#10
gyvel Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2009 Location: Northern AZ Posts: 7,172	Many CZ 52s were recalled by Century Arms for having ADs when the decocker was used. Supposedly, they retrofitted new parts and marked them with a "Z" on the trigger guard. I had one that was retrofitted, marked with the "Z" and STILL had an AD when the decocker was used. So much for Century's safety recall. When you go to buy one, take a small piece of 1/4" dowel with you and see if it gets launched when you use the decocker. If it does, you are looking at a very unsafe firearm. Run, do not walk away from it. Once the novelty of a relatively unknown Combloc weapon wore off I think people began to see that the 52 was not all it was cracked up to be for several reasons. Personally, if you want to carry using that cartridge, I would look around for a Tokarev.

July 1, 2014, 06:46 PM	#12
elpablo Junior Member Join Date: June 23, 2014 Posts: 11	cool round but what are you gonna do when surplus dries up I want one too but I am gonna wait for the current administration to leave the office and then I think we will see an influx of cheap ammo and guns again

July 1, 2014, 09:31 PM	#14
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	Sorry, my error on the CZ 52. The decocker is activated by pressing the safety up past the normal SAFE position. Jim

July 1, 2014, 10:16 PM	#16
RJay Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2005 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,936	Just one more time, Never, Never use the decocker on a CZ52 if you have a live round in the chamber. I like the ideal of a screw as a block. __________________ Ron James

July 1, 2014, 10:36 PM	#17
militant Senior Member Join Date: August 12, 2012 Location: USA Posts: 519	What do you guys think a cz52 is worth in perfect shape? __________________ A hit with a .22 is better than a miss with a .44

July 2, 2014, 04:21 AM	#18
peggysue Junior member Join Date: May 20, 2014 Posts: 1,835	That ammo used to be pretty low priced. The CZ 52 is a well made rather good looking pistol in my opinion. Put a set of wood grips on it and looks even better. http://www.marschalgrips.com/?conten...-mounted-right

July 4, 2014, 11:26 PM	#20
HawkeyeNRAlifer Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2007 Location: Iowa Posts: 316	I've used the decocker a few times om my CZ until I found out about the occasional mishaps. I have a bit of ball ammo for it, but a hollow point would make it more of a sd round. Mine is just used occasionally. Speaking of the Tok safeties, my 9mm one has the colored dots mismatched, with the red being on safe and the white being in the "hot" mode. Since I'm the only one to shoot it, I've yet to change the colors. Both of these beauties ran me about $105-115 back in the day.