Anyone use pcc for home defense? - Page 2

tahunua001 · June 14, 2014, 11:25 PM

well don't I feel like a moron, I read that at least 3 times and I thought you were saying there was NO more modern ammo for 9mm...

guess I should go back and repeat the 1st grade.

Theohazard · June 14, 2014, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tahunua001

well don't I feel like a moron, I read that at least 3 times and I thought you were saying there was NO more modern ammo for 9mm...

guess I should go back and repeat the 1st grade.

Nobody is calling you a moron, you just misread what he wrote. What he wrote was pretty clear, you even directly quoted him saying that there was more modern ammo in 9mm. Here's what you quoted:

Quote:

Originally Posted by KyJim

there's more modern ammo in 9mm

That seems pretty clear to me; I don't see the word "no" there. And it's fine that you misread it, I misread stuff all the time; but there's no reason to take it personally when he pointed that out.

tahunua001 · June 15, 2014, 12:25 PM

I know, that was just my roundabout way of apologizing.

KyJim · June 15, 2014, 12:52 PM

Not a problem. Sometimes I misstate what I meant to say and sometimes misread what others have said. It happens.

longspurr · July 30, 2014, 10:20 PM

My wifes friend (75 YO woman) that I was trying to teach firearms enough for home defense was Very jumpy as guns were going off around her on the indoor range. When she first fired my 38 revolver I thought she was going to drop it because of the surprise of recoil.

She hung in there and eventually fired off about ½ box of ammo. That was all she could handle.

So, what gun for here home defense? I'm thinking a pistol caliber carbine. Keltec Sub 2000?

The manual of arms must be VERY simple. I tried her with dry firing a 20g shotgun. TOO long, Too heavy and the pump action was very foreign to her.

Like many she wanted a pistol. But when it came range time - targets at 7 yards would be in danger only if they gave her lots of time to get set and had a coach handy to remind her of what to do. That is how she now has a Ruger 10/22.

I write this because I was searching the forum on reviews for Keltec sub 2000.

barnbwt · July 31, 2014, 12:17 AM

There are some people who can't safely use firearms; it's something we too often forget in light of the whole "equalizer" slogan we always champion. Some people really are unable --physically, mentally, emotionally, morally-- to use weapons, guns included, to defend themselves without putting themselves and everyone around them in constant danger up to and during that moment. If a 38 revolver is too much for someone to handle, I fail to see how they could safely use any centerfire. Not my call to make, of course, but let's be real.

Is she effective with the 22LR? That's probably better than any other option, if a 38's noise (I guarantee it is neither the recoil nor platform giving her trouble with that) is too much to bear (well, unless she's down for a silencer

). A person's gotta know their limitations, and a frail elderly woman with no firearms aptitude (and likely a limited ability to acquire it at this point) is going to be pretty severely limited. That is why it is important to acquire shooting skills when one is able, so you aren't starting so far behind when it is hardest to make up the distance (this to the guys with wives who never shoot and rely on hubby to save their bacon)

TCB

Bconaway1869 · July 31, 2014, 03:24 PM

I have a couple of PCCs that I have used as both trunk guns and home defense, but IMHO a PCC really only makes sense when coupled with a handgun using the same caliber and magazines.

I have used a S&W 5906TSW coupled with a Marlin 9 mm camp carbine in the past, and more recently transitioned to a Lone Wolf G9 carbine coupled with my Glock 19. The latter of which I find quite handy with 33 round mags and standard 15 round pistol mags having complete interoperability.

These types of interoperable systems reduce what I need to be efficiently prepared, hence reducing complexity of my load-out.

Just my two cents.

Chip Saunders · July 31, 2014, 07:23 PM

Being not that good with a pistol, I have a 9mm PCC and I would use it without reservation over a similar pistol.

1. I can hit what I aim at with the carbine, virtually every time

2. with the muzzle brake and the weight of the gun, virtually no recoil or flash, with the pistol you are all over the place. I would much rather have 9 well placed shots that one so - so and and the rest all over the house

3. I have read about 20% more muzzle velocity from the same round via the 16" barrel

4. The invader is much more likely to run when he sees the gun which looks like something from starwars rather than a compact "plastic" pistol he won't even notice at first.

Of course if you are good with a pistol, much of my argument is lessened or moot...its what you are comfortable with that matters.

BTW my first choice is the Rem 870 with 00 buck - extremely destructive at in-home ranges.

chris in va · August 9, 2014, 09:46 PM

I tested a couple SD rounds through my CX4 9mm today.

Silvertip (124gr?) 1279fps

Golden Saber 1360fps

My humble LRN range fodder is 1200fps, clocks 1050 from my P01.

hvymax · August 10, 2014, 08:23 AM

A PCC is pretty much my universal recommendation for small or elderly shooters. They are easy to handle,low recoil and the blast shouldn't scare a neophyte user. I think a light is mandatory for target ID but that is just me. None in my current HD collection but there are no small, elderly or neophyte shooters in my house currently.

Oysterboy · August 11, 2014, 07:22 PM

I had a HiPoint 4095ts carbine in 40sw that I trust to do its job. For the price they are good shooters and you can get 'em in 9mm, 40sw and 45acp.

I traded it in and bout an AR15.

June 14, 2014, 11:25 PM	#26
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 7,839	well don't I feel like a moron, I read that at least 3 times and I thought you were saying there was NO more modern ammo for 9mm... guess I should go back and repeat the 1st grade. __________________ ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar. I never said half the stuff people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin

June 15, 2014, 12:25 PM	#28
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 7,839	I know, that was just my roundabout way of apologizing. __________________ ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar. I never said half the stuff people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin

July 31, 2014, 12:17 AM	#31
barnbwt Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2012 Posts: 1,085	There are some people who can't safely use firearms; it's something we too often forget in light of the whole "equalizer" slogan we always champion. Some people really are unable --physically, mentally, emotionally, morally-- to use weapons, guns included, to defend themselves without putting themselves and everyone around them in constant danger up to and during that moment. If a 38 revolver is too much for someone to handle, I fail to see how they could safely use any centerfire. Not my call to make, of course, but let's be real. Is she effective with the 22LR? That's probably better than any other option, if a 38's noise (I guarantee it is neither the recoil nor platform giving her trouble with that) is too much to bear (well, unless she's down for a silencer ). A person's gotta know their limitations, and a frail elderly woman with no firearms aptitude (and likely a limited ability to acquire it at this point) is going to be pretty severely limited. That is why it is important to acquire shooting skills when one is able, so you aren't starting so far behind when it is hardest to make up the distance (this to the guys with wives who never shoot and rely on hubby to save their bacon) TCB __________________ "I don't believe that the men of the distant past were any wiser than we are today. But it does seem that their science and technology were able to accomplish much grander things." -- Alex Rosewater

July 31, 2014, 03:24 PM	#32
Bconaway1869 Junior Member Join Date: July 20, 2013 Posts: 4	PCC I have a couple of PCCs that I have used as both trunk guns and home defense, but IMHO a PCC really only makes sense when coupled with a handgun using the same caliber and magazines. I have used a S&W 5906TSW coupled with a Marlin 9 mm camp carbine in the past, and more recently transitioned to a Lone Wolf G9 carbine coupled with my Glock 19. The latter of which I find quite handy with 33 round mags and standard 15 round pistol mags having complete interoperability. These types of interoperable systems reduce what I need to be efficiently prepared, hence reducing complexity of my load-out. Just my two cents.

June 15, 2014, 12:52 PM	#29
KyJim Senior Member Join Date: July 26, 2005 Location: The Bluegrass Posts: 9,142	Not a problem. Sometimes I misstate what I meant to say and sometimes misread what others have said. It happens.

July 30, 2014, 10:20 PM	#30
longspurr Senior Member Join Date: November 8, 2002 Location: On the western shore Posts: 182	My wifes friend (75 YO woman) that I was trying to teach firearms enough for home defense was Very jumpy as guns were going off around her on the indoor range. When she first fired my 38 revolver I thought she was going to drop it because of the surprise of recoil. She hung in there and eventually fired off about ½ box of ammo. That was all she could handle. So, what gun for here home defense? I'm thinking a pistol caliber carbine. Keltec Sub 2000? The manual of arms must be VERY simple. I tried her with dry firing a 20g shotgun. TOO long, Too heavy and the pump action was very foreign to her. Like many she wanted a pistol. But when it came range time - targets at 7 yards would be in danger only if they gave her lots of time to get set and had a coach handy to remind her of what to do. That is how she now has a Ruger 10/22. I write this because I was searching the forum on reviews for Keltec sub 2000.

July 31, 2014, 07:23 PM	#33
Chip Saunders Member Join Date: July 28, 2014 Location: Tuscaloosa Alabama, Roll Tide Posts: 27	Being not that good with a pistol, I have a 9mm PCC and I would use it without reservation over a similar pistol. 1. I can hit what I aim at with the carbine, virtually every time 2. with the muzzle brake and the weight of the gun, virtually no recoil or flash, with the pistol you are all over the place. I would much rather have 9 well placed shots that one so - so and and the rest all over the house 3. I have read about 20% more muzzle velocity from the same round via the 16" barrel 4. The invader is much more likely to run when he sees the gun which looks like something from starwars rather than a compact "plastic" pistol he won't even notice at first. Of course if you are good with a pistol, much of my argument is lessened or moot...its what you are comfortable with that matters. BTW my first choice is the Rem 870 with 00 buck - extremely destructive at in-home ranges.

August 9, 2014, 09:46 PM	#34
chris in va Senior Member Join Date: December 26, 2004 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 13,806	I tested a couple SD rounds through my CX4 9mm today. Silvertip (124gr?) 1279fps Golden Saber 1360fps My humble LRN range fodder is 1200fps, clocks 1050 from my P01.

August 10, 2014, 08:23 AM	#35
hvymax Junior member Join Date: August 7, 2014 Location: La Plata Md Posts: 57	A PCC is pretty much my universal recommendation for small or elderly shooters. They are easy to handle,low recoil and the blast shouldn't scare a neophyte user. I think a light is mandatory for target ID but that is just me. None in my current HD collection but there are no small, elderly or neophyte shooters in my house currently.

August 11, 2014, 07:22 PM	#36
Oysterboy Senior Member Join Date: March 3, 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 970	I had a HiPoint 4095ts carbine in 40sw that I trust to do its job. For the price they are good shooters and you can get 'em in 9mm, 40sw and 45acp. I traded it in and bout an AR15.