Lyman 49th Reload HB

RedHawk357 · March 17, 2009, 06:48 PM

Ok I really must be missing something here...was looking for 357 Mag Data for 158 gr SWC Lead. Now I know the book is divided into three sections Rifle, Pistol, and Tompson/Encore. I was pretty sure that 158 gr lead SWC were pretty much a staple in the reloading community is this an incorrect assumption on my part? Pretty odd to see the data for 38 Special but not the 357 Mag. So am I messed up here and just not seeing it? Thx

JCS1 · March 17, 2009, 07:08 PM

Please look on page 358 & 359. Not exactly 158grain but it's close. I do have some real old manuals (Lyman) that do list it. If you will tell me what powder you are using I will look it up for you.

**Mal H** · March 17, 2009, 07:26 PM

It is odd that they don't include the 158 gr SWC, but you can use the data for the 155 gr lead as a substitute.

RedHawk357 · March 17, 2009, 07:27 PM

JCS1, thanks for the response, when you quoted those pages I was sure I just overlooked it lol. They sure do have enough room for it on pg 359. Kinda irksome to pay about 25.00 to 28.00 dollars for a book and the data isn't there lol. I guess the low end is covered with 38 Special. And the 44 mag looks covered. You don't want to type the data I was looking for. I got about ten powders to choose from with H Universal and H Titegroup leading the way. Might work better if you have a copy to just shoot a picture of it and email it. Hold off for a little bit and see if someone might know the secret squirrel place Lyman posts online updates to data or something. I find it hard to believe that bullet weight would be left out for that cartridge but then again I made it out of my twenties and nobody though that would happen

lol Thanks for help though.

RedHawk357 · March 18, 2009, 02:19 PM

This answer from Customer Service from Lyman

We did not include data for a 158 grain LSWC as we have the #358156 in our line, which is a 155 grain LSWC gas check bullet. For full power 357 loads, this would be one of the best bullets to use. We do have a 158 grain lead flat nose cowboy bullet in our line, but only used this in the 38 Special as it is geared towards lower power cowboy loads.
You could use the data for 358156 with a 158 grain SWC as long as the loads are worked up from the starting charges.

**Mal H** · March 18, 2009, 04:08 PM

Sounds familiar.

wncchester · March 18, 2009, 05:58 PM

"It is odd that they don't include the 158 gr SWC, but you can use the data for the 155 gr lead as a substitute."

Not really. There is so little difference in application it would be a bigger surprise if they gave seperate data for 155-158-160 cast stuff for a .357. IMHO.

**Mal H** · March 18, 2009, 06:58 PM

The puzzlement, for me at least, is the fact that they did include it as recently as the 47th edition of the manual. So it is unusual for them to discontinue giving out the data.

RedHawk357 · March 18, 2009, 11:21 PM

wncchester, I kinda see your point, as it sounds like it's splitting hairs. But when I look at the Hodgdon's 2009 Annual Reloading Manual under 357 Magnum loads it lists separate Data for 158 gr Cast LSWC, 158 gr HDY XTP and 158 gr MEI Cast LSWC. (MEI means Meister for folks like me who had to look that up). Guessing that Meister's bullets like to be thumped while loading and firing.
Seems like I read on a board somewhere about adjusting JACKETED data for use with lead by starting 10 percent below published data was permissible. EXCEPTIONS being H110 and there seems to be one other powder that was all or nothing as well just can't remember what one it was.

March 17, 2009, 06:48 PM	#1
RedHawk357 Member Join Date: September 7, 2008 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorad Posts: 63	Lyman 49th Reload HB Ok I really must be missing something here...was looking for 357 Mag Data for 158 gr SWC Lead. Now I know the book is divided into three sections Rifle, Pistol, and Tompson/Encore. I was pretty sure that 158 gr lead SWC were pretty much a staple in the reloading community is this an incorrect assumption on my part? Pretty odd to see the data for 38 Special but not the 357 Mag. So am I messed up here and just not seeing it? Thx

March 17, 2009, 07:08 PM	#2
JCS1 Member Join Date: February 20, 2009 Location: Bloomington, In. Posts: 37	please look on Please look on page 358 & 359. Not exactly 158grain but it's close. I do have some real old manuals (Lyman) that do list it. If you will tell me what powder you are using I will look it up for you. __________________ John NRA Endowment Member Reloading 40+ years *I miss my wife but my aim is getting better.*

March 18, 2009, 02:19 PM	#5
RedHawk357 Member Join Date: September 7, 2008 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorad Posts: 63	For those that wonder why... This answer from Customer Service from Lyman We did not include data for a 158 grain LSWC as we have the #358156 in our line, which is a 155 grain LSWC gas check bullet. For full power 357 loads, this would be one of the best bullets to use. We do have a 158 grain lead flat nose cowboy bullet in our line, but only used this in the 38 Special as it is geared towards lower power cowboy loads. You could use the data for 358156 with a 158 grain SWC as long as the loads are worked up from the starting charges.

March 17, 2009, 07:26 PM	#3
Mal H Staff Join Date: March 20, 1999 Location: Somewhere in the woods of Northern Virginia Posts: 16,955	It is odd that they don't include the 158 gr SWC, but you can use the data for the 155 gr lead as a substitute.

March 17, 2009, 07:27 PM	#4
RedHawk357 Member Join Date: September 7, 2008 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorad Posts: 63	JCS1, thanks for the response, when you quoted those pages I was sure I just overlooked it lol. They sure do have enough room for it on pg 359. Kinda irksome to pay about 25.00 to 28.00 dollars for a book and the data isn't there lol. I guess the low end is covered with 38 Special. And the 44 mag looks covered. You don't want to type the data I was looking for. I got about ten powders to choose from with H Universal and H Titegroup leading the way. Might work better if you have a copy to just shoot a picture of it and email it. Hold off for a little bit and see if someone might know the secret squirrel place Lyman posts online updates to data or something. I find it hard to believe that bullet weight would be left out for that cartridge but then again I made it out of my twenties and nobody though that would happen lol Thanks for help though.

March 18, 2009, 04:08 PM	#6
Mal H Staff Join Date: March 20, 1999 Location: Somewhere in the woods of Northern Virginia Posts: 16,955	Sounds familiar.

March 18, 2009, 05:58 PM	#7
wncchester Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2002 Posts: 2,832	"It is odd that they don't include the 158 gr SWC, but you can use the data for the 155 gr lead as a substitute." Not really. There is so little difference in application it would be a bigger surprise if they gave seperate data for 155-158-160 cast stuff for a .357. IMHO.

March 18, 2009, 06:58 PM	#8
Mal H Staff Join Date: March 20, 1999 Location: Somewhere in the woods of Northern Virginia Posts: 16,955	The puzzlement, for me at least, is the fact that they did include it as recently as the 47th edition of the manual. So it is unusual for them to discontinue giving out the data.

March 18, 2009, 11:21 PM	#9
RedHawk357 Member Join Date: September 7, 2008 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorad Posts: 63	wncchester, I kinda see your point, as it sounds like it's splitting hairs. But when I look at the Hodgdon's 2009 Annual Reloading Manual under 357 Magnum loads it lists separate Data for 158 gr Cast LSWC, 158 gr HDY XTP and 158 gr MEI Cast LSWC. (MEI means Meister for folks like me who had to look that up). Guessing that Meister's bullets like to be thumped while loading and firing. Seems like I read on a board somewhere about adjusting JACKETED data for use with lead by starting 10 percent below published data was permissible. EXCEPTIONS being H110 and there seems to be one other powder that was all or nothing as well just can't remember what one it was.