So why I SHOULDN'T consider a glock

echo3mike · October 31, 2000, 11:58 AM

O.K., so I have enough handguns, (for now). But since Glocks are so talked about on this site, I'ld love to hear the pros and cons about these weapons, since I'll probably buy another gun at some point in my life.

Note: I'm happy with my USP, and REALLY happy, (to the point of euphoria), with my P228.

Thanks in advance
S.

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Fred · October 31, 2000, 12:35 PM

Well, I'm also REALLY happy with my 228, as well as my 220 and 229!

Have a few other assorted handguns that I like for certain reasons. Always had a snide comment to make about Glocks -- until I tried one. My son talked me into renting a Glock 19 one time. We both shot well with it, and I appreciated its light weight. Now own 4 of the ugly beasties! Really like the fact that they seem to go bang every time, are easy to work on, lightweight, consistent trigger pull, and lefty-friendly.

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BadMedicine · October 31, 2000, 12:41 PM

I've never owned a glock, but I'm thinking about getting one for protection, and to carry in the woods, and cuz I need one

I saw at a sportsman show a model of glock that was in .357mag. This is what I REALLY want. Does anyone know what model glock makes a .357?? Thanx.

Dark Avenger · October 31, 2000, 12:49 PM

The caliber is actually .357Sig and the models are 31, 32, and 33 I believe.

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Ala Dan · October 31, 2000, 01:08 PM

Greetings Posters-

Man Oh! Man, I'm so glad you are happy with your current sidearms, ie: the Sig's, H&K's,
BPH's, and Beretta's.

But wait a minute-
Everyone needs to own at least one Glock. I've owned three so far, a 17,
23, and 27. Traded away the 17 and the 23; in
favor of the Sig's P220, P226 (9m/m), and P228. But I did keep the 27, as I use it for
My Offical Carry Piece. Come on, shouldn't every gun owner own a piece of
"Combat Tupperware"?

Regards,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

Long Path · October 31, 2000, 02:10 PM

Closing this thread in General Discussion NOT because it's been done before or because of the inevitible hollering that'll be done over it, but because it belongs in Handguns and Pistols Forum.

And so off it goes....

Enjoy.

L. P.

October 31, 2000, 02:39 PM

For the woods you would be better served by a Glock 20 10mm. Bigger bullet moving very fast. Ammo availability may be a problem for both .357 SIG and 10mm. You can order them off of the internet all day long though and if you reload...

Icopy · October 31, 2000, 02:53 PM

Pros -- Reliable, reliable, reliable, and reliable. did i mention Glocks are reliable? Hi-cap mags are available for most models. Best customer service of any firearm manufacturer I've experienced. Lightwieght, fairly accurate, newer models are very ergonomic and accept weapon lights.

Cons -- Once you buy one, you need to buy another. No, wait. That's a pro.

CMOS · October 31, 2000, 03:04 PM

Um, unsupported chamber...

CMOS

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Kentucky Rifle · October 31, 2000, 03:26 PM

My Glock 27 is my favorite pistol. For some strange reason, it's my most accurate pistol also. I've talked to several other people at the range and the G27 always seems to be more accurate that the larger .40 caliber Glocks. It a strange thing that makes me REAL happy. My 27 always makes me look better than I am.

Will

Greg Bell · October 31, 2000, 03:58 PM

See my recent crappy things about...the Glock. We tried to come up with every shortcoming of the Glock'

MountainGun44 · October 31, 2000, 04:10 PM

I have had a Glock 19 for 11 years. It has never failed to function with factory ammo (it jammed with some cheesy reloads at a range once- I stripped the gun and showed the rangemaster that the rounds were uncrimped and would not fit in the barrel- he gave me my money back.)

I rarely clean it. I feel it is more reliable than any of my revolvers. If I had to keep only one handgun it would be my Glock.

RHC · October 31, 2000, 08:45 PM

You shouldn't consider a Glock because once you have one you'll want about ten of them.

thequickad · October 31, 2000, 09:38 PM

I noticed the only production 9mm that's more accurate than the Glock is the P7M8 series due to the fix-bbl. The Glock is on the par, accuracy wise, with the SIG. It is reliable, light-weight, durable and reasonably priced.

[Edited by thequickad on 12-24-2000 at 01:48 PM]

Red Bull · October 31, 2000, 09:50 PM

I just really can't believe how often I hear people say that they used to hate Glocks and put them down, and then they try one and they like it.
Make me wonder about other people who hate Glocks....have they even tried one?

I have absolutely no problem with people that have tried Glocks and they are not for them, but I don't get people that blindly rip on them and put other people down for using them.

My friends hated Glocks too, used to make fun of me for being one of the first people to own the fantastic plastic. Then after years of me hitting my target and having no failures to fire, they all now own Glocks and swear by them.

The best reason not to buy a Glock is that they are addictive, and you will buy more. Oh, and also, some idiots with inferiority complexes will chide you for carrying a Glock because it has become so popular and they work so well right out of the box, but have no fear, you will be in good company.

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dk6 · October 31, 2000, 10:06 PM

echo3mike, this Glock thing is kind of hard to explain. My son is with the sheriffs office here, and talked constantly about the Glock 22 issued by his dept. Out of the blue, my wife asks for a Glock for Christmas,
so faster than you can say Gaston Glock, we were at the gun shop fitting her hand to a G23. After shooting the pistol, I wanted one to. A G27 was the next addition followed by a G30. I have put many rounds through my 2 pistols and have yet to experience any type of malfunction.
3 of the last 4 handguns I have purchased have been Glocks.
If you have not shot one I would recommend finding a range that will rent a Glock to you.

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Icopy · November 1, 2000, 09:24 AM

RedBull --

I'm one of those people who hated Glocks until I actually shot one. My reason? At first the grip felt really wierd. Then once I got used to it, all other guns feel wierd, with the exception of my MKIII.

loknload · November 1, 2000, 10:23 AM

Yep.... I to was one of those people who said that they would never own a Glock, Ugliest gun ever made I said

Wellll one day I spotted one in my local emporium and it caught my eye

I bought the darn thing

That is how I ended up with my Md# 27. I like it

Now my main carry piece,like WLM said it makes me look good at the range. More accurate then my Beretta 8040. No kidding this gun was fantastic right out of the tupperware box it came in.
I like it so much I may have to get another

A 33 or a 36 could be in my future

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Gino · November 1, 2000, 08:17 PM

PRO:
VERY reliable
VERY durable
VERY VERY corrosion resistant
Light weight
Small package for the firepower
The same trigger pull each shot

CON:
The worst trigger ever invented
A very extreme grip angle that doesn't fit many people

If the Glock fits your hand and you can get used to the trigger, it is a GREAT gun. However, like all other guns on the market, the Glock design does not fit everyone.

Hemphill · November 2, 2000, 11:10 AM

Here's why I think you shouldn't buy a Glock. 1. Of the two I have owned(22 and 23) both had major structural failres. The G22 had a slide fracture, and later the chamber damaged. Glock did replace the slide, and later the barrel. The G23's frame cracked and was replaced. To me, a 100% failure rate was more than reason enough to stop buying Glocks. 2. The Glock can fire the most out of battery of any pistol I have seen. I had a KB! becuase of this. 3. Contrary to popular opinion, their customer service stinks. The two times I sent my G22 in, there were problems in getting the parts needed, and the last time, the pistol was sent to the wrong address. 4. You seem to like the DA/SA trigger mechanism. If it works for you, why change it? The Glock safe action is different enough to cause some problems. 5. Finally, for me they point too high.

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J. Parker · November 2, 2000, 11:38 AM

echo3mike; First of all let's debunk this Glock mythical facade. Glock's are no better or worse than anyother QUALITY handgun on the market today. If there's a round in the chamber it's a holstered gun, period. And yes there are factory hi-caps available if your financally independent. They come with some sort of plastic front sight. In that price spectrom I would expect more. From the factory they normally come with a 51/2 lb. trigger so keep that thing holstered!Best Regards, J. Parker

JMack · November 2, 2000, 01:11 PM

Hemphill,

My god,,,and all this time I thought I had bad luck throughout my life!

After reading your post I no loger feel that way, my 22 and 23 have never had a single malfunction.

Too bad for you but great for me

~Jason

pete80 · November 2, 2000, 01:12 PM

Have a GLOCK 21, experienced many problems with it. Light primer strikes, Failure-to-feed, crap like that...

Looking for a good 1911 or Sig 220.

damage · November 2, 2000, 04:25 PM

simply put great reliable guns
but

1 trigger sucks (mushy really mushy)
2 safety sucks (you BETTER know how to draw safely)
3 plastic front sight flying off when you fire them REALLY REALLY sucks (i mean really sucks)
4 Cha-ching $$$$ (did someone say factory mag)

Hey once you buy one you keep bying more because your still looking for a good gun, like shopping for slacks IMHO

JMack · November 2, 2000, 05:18 PM

lot of what you are reading here is personal preferences and not actualy a short comming of the Glocks mechanics.

Those who says the Glock has a mushy trigger, I assure you that there is a whole bunch of us Glock owners that would prefer the trigger of the Glock over any other on the market.

Again, instead of asking why you shouldnt buy a Glock, why dont you go try one out for yourself and come to yourown conclutions. Its quite obvious many people here have many different opinions.

So I ask,,,,whats your opinion?

Isnt that the million dollar question?

~Jason

October 31, 2000, 11:58 AM	#1
echo3mike Senior Member Join Date: September 12, 2000 Location: Chantilly, VA...Just barely behind the lines! Posts: 490	O.K., so I have enough handguns, (for now). But since Glocks are so talked about on this site, I'ld love to hear the pros and cons about these weapons, since I'll probably buy another gun at some point in my life. Note: I'm happy with my USP, and REALLY happy, (to the point of euphoria), with my P228. Thanks in advance S. ------------------ We deal in lead, friend.

October 31, 2000, 12:35 PM	#2
Fred Senior Member Join Date: November 3, 1998 Location: CA Posts: 465	Well, I'm also REALLY happy with my 228, as well as my 220 and 229! Have a few other assorted handguns that I like for certain reasons. Always had a snide comment to make about Glocks -- until I tried one. My son talked me into renting a Glock 19 one time. We both shot well with it, and I appreciated its light weight. Now own 4 of the ugly beasties! Really like the fact that they seem to go bang every time, are easy to work on, lightweight, consistent trigger pull, and lefty-friendly. ------------------ Regards - AZFred

October 31, 2000, 12:41 PM	#3
BadMedicine Junior member Join Date: July 7, 2000 Location: Anchorage Posts: 863	I've never owned a glock, but I'm thinking about getting one for protection, and to carry in the woods, and cuz I need one I saw at a sportsman show a model of glock that was in .357mag. This is what I REALLY want. Does anyone know what model glock makes a .357?? Thanx.

October 31, 2000, 12:49 PM	#4
Dark Avenger Senior Member Join Date: March 1, 1999 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 175	The caliber is actually .357Sig and the models are 31, 32, and 33 I believe. ------------------ "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams

October 31, 2000, 01:08 PM	#5
Ala Dan Member in memoriam Join Date: August 13, 1999 Location: In The HOT, Humid, and Mu Posts: 6,116	Greetings Posters- Man Oh! Man, I'm so glad you are happy with your current sidearms, ie: the Sig's, H&K's, BPH's, and Beretta's. But wait a minute- Everyone needs to own at least one Glock. I've owned three so far, a 17, 23, and 27. Traded away the 17 and the 23; in favor of the Sig's P220, P226 (9m/m), and P228. But I did keep the 27, as I use it for My Offical Carry Piece. Come on, shouldn't every gun owner own a piece of "Combat Tupperware"? Regards, Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

October 31, 2000, 02:10 PM	#6
Long Path Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 1999 Location: N. Texas Posts: 5,899	Closing this thread in General Discussion NOT because it's been done before or because of the inevitible hollering that'll be done over it, but because it belongs in Handguns and Pistols Forum. And so off it goes.... Enjoy. L. P.

October 31, 2000, 02:39 PM	#7
KilgorII Guest Posts: n/a	For the woods you would be better served by a Glock 20 10mm. Bigger bullet moving very fast. Ammo availability may be a problem for both .357 SIG and 10mm. You can order them off of the internet all day long though and if you reload...

October 31, 2000, 02:53 PM	#8
Icopy Senior Member Join Date: April 18, 2000 Posts: 340	Pros -- Reliable, reliable, reliable, and reliable. did i mention Glocks are reliable? Hi-cap mags are available for most models. Best customer service of any firearm manufacturer I've experienced. Lightwieght, fairly accurate, newer models are very ergonomic and accept weapon lights. Cons -- Once you buy one, you need to buy another. No, wait. That's a pro.

October 31, 2000, 03:04 PM	#9
CMOS Senior Member Join Date: June 10, 1999 Location: TEXAS Posts: 1,417	Um, unsupported chamber... CMOS ------------------ NRA? Good. Now join the GOA! CMOS's Site

October 31, 2000, 03:26 PM	#10
Kentucky Rifle Senior Member Join Date: July 5, 1999 Location: Louisville, Kentucky Posts: 2,687	My Glock 27 is my favorite pistol. For some strange reason, it's my most accurate pistol also. I've talked to several other people at the range and the G27 always seems to be more accurate that the larger .40 caliber Glocks. It a strange thing that makes me REAL happy. My 27 always makes me look better than I am. Will

October 31, 2000, 03:58 PM	#11
Greg Bell Senior Member Join Date: May 25, 1999 Location: Georgia Posts: 2,053	See my recent crappy things about...the Glock. We tried to come up with every shortcoming of the Glock'

October 31, 2000, 04:10 PM	#12
MountainGun44 Senior Member Join Date: April 26, 2000 Posts: 343	I have had a Glock 19 for 11 years. It has never failed to function with factory ammo (it jammed with some cheesy reloads at a range once- I stripped the gun and showed the rangemaster that the rounds were uncrimped and would not fit in the barrel- he gave me my money back.) I rarely clean it. I feel it is more reliable than any of my revolvers. If I had to keep only one handgun it would be my Glock.

October 31, 2000, 08:45 PM	#13
RHC Senior Member Join Date: March 30, 2000 Posts: 678	You shouldn't consider a Glock because once you have one you'll want about ten of them.

October 31, 2000, 09:38 PM	#14
thequickad Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 1999 Location: California Posts: 532	I noticed the only production 9mm that's more accurate than the Glock is the P7M8 series due to the fix-bbl. The Glock is on the par, accuracy wise, with the SIG. It is reliable, light-weight, durable and reasonably priced. [Edited by thequickad on 12-24-2000 at 01:48 PM]

October 31, 2000, 09:50 PM	#15
Red Bull Senior Member Join Date: August 18, 1999 Posts: 564	I just really can't believe how often I hear people say that they used to hate Glocks and put them down, and then they try one and they like it. Make me wonder about other people who hate Glocks....have they even tried one? I have absolutely no problem with people that have tried Glocks and they are not for them, but I don't get people that blindly rip on them and put other people down for using them. My friends hated Glocks too, used to make fun of me for being one of the first people to own the fantastic plastic. Then after years of me hitting my target and having no failures to fire, they all now own Glocks and swear by them. The best reason not to buy a Glock is that they are addictive, and you will buy more. Oh, and also, some idiots with inferiority complexes will chide you for carrying a Glock because it has become so popular and they work so well right out of the box, but have no fear, you will be in good company. [This message has been edited by Red Bull (edited October 31, 2000).] [This message has been edited by Red Bull (edited October 31, 2000).]

October 31, 2000, 10:06 PM	#16
dk6 Member Join Date: November 21, 1999 Location: Central Kalifornia Posts: 77	echo3mike, this Glock thing is kind of hard to explain. My son is with the sheriffs office here, and talked constantly about the Glock 22 issued by his dept. Out of the blue, my wife asks for a Glock for Christmas, so faster than you can say Gaston Glock, we were at the gun shop fitting her hand to a G23. After shooting the pistol, I wanted one to. A G27 was the next addition followed by a G30. I have put many rounds through my 2 pistols and have yet to experience any type of malfunction. 3 of the last 4 handguns I have purchased have been Glocks. If you have not shot one I would recommend finding a range that will rent a Glock to you. [This message has been edited by dk6 (edited October 31, 2000).]

November 1, 2000, 09:24 AM	#17
Icopy Senior Member Join Date: April 18, 2000 Posts: 340	RedBull -- I'm one of those people who hated Glocks until I actually shot one. My reason? At first the grip felt really wierd. Then once I got used to it, all other guns feel wierd, with the exception of my MKIII.

November 1, 2000, 10:23 AM	#18
loknload Senior Member Join Date: November 23, 1999 Location: PA. USA Posts: 1,869	Yep.... I to was one of those people who said that they would never own a Glock, Ugliest gun ever made I said Wellll one day I spotted one in my local emporium and it caught my eye I bought the darn thing That is how I ended up with my Md# 27. I like it Now my main carry piece,like WLM said it makes me look good at the range. More accurate then my Beretta 8040. No kidding this gun was fantastic right out of the tupperware box it came in. I like it so much I may have to get another A 33 or a 36 could be in my future ------------------ We preserve our freedoms by using four boxes: soap,ballot,jury, and cartridge. Anonymous

November 1, 2000, 08:17 PM	#19
Gino Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 1998 Location: Lake City, FL USA Posts: 919	PRO: VERY reliable VERY durable VERY VERY corrosion resistant Light weight Small package for the firepower The same trigger pull each shot CON: The worst trigger ever invented A very extreme grip angle that doesn't fit many people If the Glock fits your hand and you can get used to the trigger, it is a GREAT gun. However, like all other guns on the market, the Glock design does not fit everyone.

November 2, 2000, 11:10 AM	#20
Hemphill Senior Member Join Date: April 20, 1999 Location: Reno, NV, USA Posts: 116	Here's why I think you shouldn't buy a Glock. 1. Of the two I have owned(22 and 23) both had major structural failres. The G22 had a slide fracture, and later the chamber damaged. Glock did replace the slide, and later the barrel. The G23's frame cracked and was replaced. To me, a 100% failure rate was more than reason enough to stop buying Glocks. 2. The Glock can fire the most out of battery of any pistol I have seen. I had a KB! becuase of this. 3. Contrary to popular opinion, their customer service stinks. The two times I sent my G22 in, there were problems in getting the parts needed, and the last time, the pistol was sent to the wrong address. 4. You seem to like the DA/SA trigger mechanism. If it works for you, why change it? The Glock safe action is different enough to cause some problems. 5. Finally, for me they point too high. [This message has been edited by Hemphill (edited November 02, 2000).]

November 2, 2000, 11:38 AM	#21
J. Parker Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2000 Location: Ephrata, wa. USA Posts: 1,338	echo3mike; First of all let's debunk this Glock mythical facade. Glock's are no better or worse than anyother QUALITY handgun on the market today. If there's a round in the chamber it's a holstered gun, period. And yes there are factory hi-caps available if your financally independent. They come with some sort of plastic front sight. In that price spectrom I would expect more. From the factory they normally come with a 51/2 lb. trigger so keep that thing holstered!Best Regards, J. Parker

November 2, 2000, 01:11 PM	#22
JMack Senior Member Join Date: August 15, 2000 Posts: 250	Hemphill, My god,,,and all this time I thought I had bad luck throughout my life! After reading your post I no loger feel that way, my 22 and 23 have never had a single malfunction. Too bad for you but great for me ~Jason

November 2, 2000, 01:12 PM	#23
pete80 Senior Member Join Date: July 4, 1999 Posts: 454	Have a GLOCK 21, experienced many problems with it. Light primer strikes, Failure-to-feed, crap like that... Looking for a good 1911 or Sig 220.

November 2, 2000, 04:25 PM	#24
damage Member Join Date: November 30, 1999 Location: Chicago, Il USA Posts: 52	simply put great reliable guns but 1 trigger sucks (mushy really mushy) 2 safety sucks (you BETTER know how to draw safely) 3 plastic front sight flying off when you fire them REALLY REALLY sucks (i mean really sucks) 4 Cha-ching $$$$ (did someone say factory mag) Hey once you buy one you keep bying more because your still looking for a good gun, like shopping for slacks IMHO

November 2, 2000, 05:18 PM	#25
JMack Senior Member Join Date: August 15, 2000 Posts: 250	lot of what you are reading here is personal preferences and not actualy a short comming of the Glocks mechanics. Those who says the Glock has a mushy trigger, I assure you that there is a whole bunch of us Glock owners that would prefer the trigger of the Glock over any other on the market. Again, instead of asking why you shouldnt buy a Glock, why dont you go try one out for yourself and come to yourown conclutions. Its quite obvious many people here have many different opinions. So I ask,,,,whats your opinion? Isnt that the million dollar question? ~Jason