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October 31, 2013, 01:43 PM | #1 | ||
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Last American primary lead smelter to close in December
Why is this being posted in Law and Civil Rights? Because this will affect your ability to purchase ammo for your firearms and will thus take away your right to arms. This is like the government saying "You can have the most powerful, fastest car you want; but we are closing down all of the refineries which manufacture gasoline."
So what is a primary smelter? It is a smelter which is at the source, the mine, and refines the raw ore into the final product. The Doe Run smelter is the last primary lead smelter in existence in the U.S. At the point that they close their doors the only source for lead, and thus the only source for the manufacture of bullets, will be secondary smelters, which recycle existing lead, and foreign sources. So what happened that Doe run will be closing their doors? The EPA increased the regulations on lead by 1000% to unattainable levels. The cost to Doe Run to reach the levels the EPA had demanded would have cost them $100,000,000 with no guarantee that the EPA would not increase the regulations further. So first the EPA took the lead out of our gasoline and now they have taken the lead out of our firearms. (Not the same lead, I know.) The overarching reach of the EPA now threatens the very security of the United States; because how are we supposed to win a war if the only sources of materials for bullets is from re-smelting and possibly hostile foreign sources? I guess we could melt down all of the wheel weights ... oh, yeah, they're no longer made of lead. So much for that source. SOURCE Quote:
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October 31, 2013, 02:06 PM | #2 | ||
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The shut down of this plant is not as simplistic as banning guns. There are other considerations , such as the lead pollution in the area:
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Based on what I read, I would not want to live next to this nasty lead plant. Unless the Obama administration has banned the importation of lead, I am certain the Chinese are quite willing to pollute their county into a stinking cesspool, as it already is in many of their cities, by smelting lead and selling the ingots to Americans.
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October 31, 2013, 03:02 PM | #3 | ||
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i second everything Slamfire said.
In 1968 the EPA tightened air quality standards for lead. The Doe Run company made the decision to close their plant. The company has other primary lead smelters overseas, probably in China. Years ago the company raised the height of the smokestack. That had the effect of spreading lead pollution over a much wider area. In the late 1980s my SIL worked for an environmental remediation company that cleaned up part of that plant. There were four inches of lead dust on parts of the roof. Quote:
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The settlement: http://www.epa.gov/compliance/resour...mm/doerun.html Last edited by thallub; October 31, 2013 at 03:24 PM. |
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October 31, 2013, 07:09 PM | #4 |
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I find it hard to mourn the loss of lead in gasoline.
As for Doe Run, that plant has been on the news occasionally here in STL- about every year or so there was some kind of story about problems caused by the pollution from the plant. While the loss of domestic lead smelting might be bad, that particular plant won't be missed. |
October 31, 2013, 07:44 PM | #5 | ||
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Lead-Acid battery production accounted for over 85% of domestic lead consumption last year. Every other use, including ammunition, only uses up 15%. This plant that is now closing produced 118,000 tons of lead last year, out of a domestic consumption of 1,520,000 tons... Quote:
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November 1, 2013, 01:35 AM | #6 |
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the problem is,
its not just the new regulations but how it was being tested. the plant has been putting out lead particles into the environment for what, 70 years? its hard to test the soil for contamination if most of the soil samples come from land that has been polluted for 70 years. lead does build up in you. |
November 1, 2013, 02:22 PM | #7 |
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OK, that's enough - it seems an environmental issue that might actually have some merit. Seems not a grand conspiracy.
Thus, closed.
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