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May 18, 2013, 10:26 AM | #1 | |||||||
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Alabama Senate to Debate Omnibus Gun Bill SB 286 20 May
This bill does a whole lot of nice things but has some issues that are being debated within the GOP ranks. Bill is widely expected to pass.
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Reciprocity is also a mess. This bill would make it universal, even if the other state does not recognize the Alabama Permit. Quote:
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Private property rights vs Gun Rights. If the bill gets shelved it will be over this. This would be a big victory for open carry; the legality of is a an open debate depending upon what county/ city you live in. In regard to disorderly conduct: Quote:
Limits lawsuits and liability to businesses: Quote:
Bill would also prohibit mass release of permits: Quote:
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http://legiscan.com/AL/text/SB286 http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/onpolitix...bates-gun-bill http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/...g_on_scho.html
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May 18, 2013, 10:33 AM | #2 |
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Just read it passed House on May 2nd. Missed that...lol
Been keeping an eye on it since it was first introduced until third shift work started kicking in. They need to null and void some of our old Section 13A-11 ordinances. Especially since they have two with OC on public ground...one is written and deemed as a bad law, and the other makes sense. I am speaking of that case where in Jacksonville, AL the guy was arrested and charged when he walked into a bank. Listened to the officer and then later was arrested.
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After the Senate votes it will go back to the House for any changes. It is expected to pass without any debate the second go around.
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This bill should clear it up.
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I hope it does clear it up. You do know of the story I am speaking of correct?
Yeah it was sad to see so much of the bill scratched off from the first go around.
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The whole problem with our state is even though 13A-11-73 supersedes 13A-11-52 arresting officers often use 13A-11-52 instead of 13A-11-73. Tulley vs Jacksonville. A google of Tulley vs Alabama will bring up a couple more articles. Last I heard it is heading to appeals court still. Same ordinance cited a arrest for someone Open Carrying onto Wal-mart property.
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No kidding...its going to be a pain to get to Talladega Co to renew. I live 10 ft past the county line. LOL
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I have a cousin in Alabama and he renews his cc permit by mail. Maybe it's different from county to county.
Edit: I just called him and he said that every 5 years he has to renew in person and get a new picture taken. Then he renews by mail after that. Last edited by Nittespanker; May 18, 2013 at 02:09 PM. |
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Every county is different. My county does not do pictures unless you pay an extra $10. Forget that.
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My current county does not require it either, but I know Etowah does.
I'll find out if my new county does when I renew. I moved addresses, but I wonder if this will grandfather people in with current permits. I do agree with removing the lifetime...loss of revenue and people's background checks change almost over night if they get arrested.
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I have no problem with lifetime permits. Easy enough to revoke in the computer. Life time permits would also open the door to getting rid of permits altogether.
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Well I gotta renew before that bill even sees the daylight of being signed into law. So one more time of annual renew. lol
What time does it vote today?
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Forget to mention the law will also defund any government sponsored "buy back" programs, while at the same time allowing for gun safety programs.
Also appears as though it will allow deadly force against people attempting child molestation on public/ business property. Back to the house and then to the govenor to sign. Quote:
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This will "officially" make AL a shall-issue state?
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If nobody knows yet, I am now in Alabama - Rainsville to be precise.
Let's be clear here: they left in the part about banning carry during a political demonstration? Or is that repealed? Does anybody know when that law was passed? Is it a leftover of the Civil Rights era? It can't possibly be constitutional and in fact, challenging it in Federal court in either Alabama or Georgia might be a great vehicle to get a "right to carry" out of the federal court system...? I was with OccupyTucson (AZ) and we had guns in camp. Needed 'em, too: for one thing we had zero instances of police assault, for another there were threats and in some cases shootings by spun-up "Glenn Beck fans" and drunken idiots in general all over the country.
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Jim - I would get with a lawyer who specializes in this area. I am seeing if the lawyer in my unit is familiar with it. He does broad law not just specialization in a single field.
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Well I'm engaged to be married to a lawyer but she don't know .
I'll find out somehow. Does anybody know where the text of the new law is?
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Law goes into effect August 1, 2013.
So I am sure she will find out.
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OK, so it doesn't change the "no guns while protesting" language:
http://www.legislature.state.al.us/C.../13A-11-59.htm This was done in 1975 and 1979 in stages, apparently. 1975 at least in AL would have been towards the end of the civil rights movement when it was still a hot issue. It was also shortly after the death in 1973 of the infamous Birmingham AL police chief Bull Conner, probably the worst civil rights abuser with a badge the 20th Century ever saw...and he only left office in 1972 for health reasons when the abuses he committed and encouraged should have got him booted out long before. So...there's pretty good reason to suspect this law was designed to facilitate police abuse.
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A week from now the new law will be in effect. A lot of us are working to try and get public meetings with law enforcement for the new understandings and everything. A lot can happen in a week. Representative Coleman-Evans is already attacking the Stand Your Ground bill with H212.
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