Bolt travel.. why is it....

Kaylee · July 23, 2002, 09:00 AM

.. on modern pump shotguns that the entire bolt travel must be enclosed?

As opposed to the old '97s that the Cowboy folks like, where the bolt comes out the rear over the hammer like in a lever rifle?

Seems to me that it forces everything else forward, and thus makes the gun more cumbersome to use and carry. Or does this just not bother folks anymore?

Thanks!

-K

Kharn · July 23, 2002, 10:15 AM

Probably to prevent crud from getting into the action, and to allow for stronger loads.

Kharn

K80Geoff · July 23, 2002, 11:21 AM

Yep, to keep the action clean and functioning. And we usually do not have exposed hammers that need cocking, the reason for the bolt coming out on the '97.

C.R.Sam · July 23, 2002, 01:19 PM

K80Geoff pretty well covered it.

Sam

Kaylee · July 23, 2002, 02:04 PM

But aren't shotgun hammers still hammers, albeit shrouded like in "hammerless" revolvers? If so....

Why is crud in the action an issue in shotguns and not in lever rifles? The same action is going on there in the receiver between the 30-30 and the old '97 shotgun, more or less... why did it die out in shotguns and not in rifles? Do shotgun shells generate a lot more fouling than rifle rounds? Is it that there's more muck in the birdpond than the deerfields? Or is it that people are used to things looking a certain way, and John Wayne carried a thutty thutty?

-K

Romulus · July 23, 2002, 02:35 PM

The notion implied by your last question sounds plausible to me...

Hemicuda · July 23, 2002, 02:59 PM

Remington pump rifles have an enclosed bolt throw, and no exposed hammer...

just a design that didn'tneed the extra port for the bolt to hang out... and the hammer swings up from below, out of the trigger group... so BASICALLY there is not alot of "moved foreward" parts...

just a different design...

C.R.Sam · July 23, 2002, 05:43 PM

Only reason lever rifles are still around in the hunnert yar old configuration is there are enough buyers that think they look cool.

And a few still use them.....well.

Practicality often takes a back seat to "Marketing"

Sam

K80Geoff · July 23, 2002, 06:20 PM

And don't forget all those Cowboy Fashion Shooters

July 23, 2002, 09:00 AM	#1
Kaylee Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2000 Location: The Last Homely House Posts: 1,677	Bolt travel.. why is it.... .. on modern pump shotguns that the entire bolt travel must be enclosed? As opposed to the old '97s that the Cowboy folks like, where the bolt comes out the rear over the hammer like in a lever rifle? Seems to me that it forces everything else forward, and thus makes the gun more cumbersome to use and carry. Or does this just not bother folks anymore? Thanks! -K

July 23, 2002, 11:21 AM	#3
K80Geoff Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 1998 Location: NE Pennsylvania Posts: 3,639	Yep, to keep the action clean and functioning. And we usually do not have exposed hammers that need cocking, the reason for the bolt coming out on the '97. __________________ I am no longer a member of this forum. Bye!

July 23, 2002, 02:35 PM	#6
Romulus Senior Member Join Date: January 18, 2001 Location: Kettle Moraine country Posts: 897	The notion implied by your last question sounds plausible to me... __________________ I knew Thomas Jefferson, he was a friend of mine...Governor Clinton, you're no Thomas Jefferson Ti faccio vedere come muore un italiano

July 23, 2002, 02:59 PM	#7
Hemicuda Senior Member Join Date: September 13, 2001 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,757	Remington pump rifles have an enclosed bolt throw, and no exposed hammer... just a design that didn'tneed the extra port for the bolt to hang out... and the hammer swings up from below, out of the trigger group... so BASICALLY there is not alot of "moved foreward" parts... just a different design... __________________ Hemi. gun and car collector. Rare cars, and rarer guns.

July 23, 2002, 06:20 PM	#9
K80Geoff Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 1998 Location: NE Pennsylvania Posts: 3,639	And don't forget all those Cowboy Fashion Shooters __________________ I am no longer a member of this forum. Bye!

July 23, 2002, 10:15 AM	#2
Kharn Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2001 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,531	Probably to prevent crud from getting into the action, and to allow for stronger loads. Kharn

July 23, 2002, 01:19 PM	#4
C.R.Sam Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 1999 Location: Dewey, AZ Posts: 12,858	K80Geoff pretty well covered it. Sam

July 23, 2002, 02:04 PM	#5
Kaylee Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2000 Location: The Last Homely House Posts: 1,677	But aren't shotgun hammers still hammers, albeit shrouded like in "hammerless" revolvers? If so.... Why is crud in the action an issue in shotguns and not in lever rifles? The same action is going on there in the receiver between the 30-30 and the old '97 shotgun, more or less... why did it die out in shotguns and not in rifles? Do shotgun shells generate a lot more fouling than rifle rounds? Is it that there's more muck in the birdpond than the deerfields? Or is it that people are used to things looking a certain way, and John Wayne carried a thutty thutty? -K

July 23, 2002, 05:43 PM	#8
C.R.Sam Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 1999 Location: Dewey, AZ Posts: 12,858	Only reason lever rifles are still around in the hunnert yar old configuration is there are enough buyers that think they look cool. And a few still use them.....well. Practicality often takes a back seat to "Marketing" Sam