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August 2, 2015, 04:42 AM | #26 |
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"Of course many firearms registration systems did not record the suffix letter on Lugers (hard to read anyway, in many cases) so there was the possibility of repeats every 9999 units "
A friend had this happen. He sold a Luger at a show and some time later got a visit from the police. Seems the buyer showed the Luger to a friend who claimed that was his Luger stolen years before and still had the police report with the serial but just the numbers. My friend explained the repeating serial number situation to the police and since the report didn't list the maker or complete serial the matter was dropped. I've also read that way back (maybe 20s, 30s?) when Colt duplicated serial numbers they'd sell those firearms overseas. |
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I do recall hearing of a fellow who had some trouble with the police over "duplicate" serial numbers. He had a S&W .38SPL, and the police had a record of a S&W .38 cal, ser#xxxxxx as stolen. The numbers were the same. It was the police records that were incomplete, listing only the maker, caliber and #. When deeper investigation revealed that they were two different models of gun it was resolved, but it took an investigation, because of the sloppy manner the police used to record the information.
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August 3, 2015, 11:06 AM | #29 |
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The same make & model gun cannot have matching serial numbers. When someone says "matching" in this context they mean consecutive.
HOWEVER, different model guns CAN have the same (matching) serial numbers. I once saw a cased set of a baby Browning, a .380, and a Hi Power, all with the same serial #. (don't know if it came from Browning that way, or if a very serious collector created it), but I did see it.
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August 4, 2015, 09:08 PM | #30 |
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I do know that during WW2 there were serial number overlaps in both Garand and 1911A1 production. Both the Garand and the Colt 1911A1 I own are in that category. Winchester and SA produced Garands with identical serial numbers, as did Colt and Remington Rand. Would be something to own two different Garands or 1911A1's with the same serial number, different makers.
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If that is the case then they would have had to be different models, or perhaps the serial numbers on each gun had a different prefix or suffix added to differentiate them. Since 1968 it has not been legal for a manufacturer to put the same serial number on two different guns of the same model.
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August 6, 2015, 10:10 AM | #33 |
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I think it's already noted...but...
The GCA of 1968 mandates unique serial numbers on all guns. No dupes allowed under federal law. This is why S&W changed from the S prefix on N frame models to an N in 1968. They had used the S prefix on K frames in the late 1940s so it would be possible to have two S&Ws made 20 years apart with the same serial if they didn't change. Before this law serial numbers were not required and many inexpensive guns didn't have them. I have owned several 22 rifles made long ago with no serials. In the "bound book" these are listed as "N/A" where the serial goes. If a gun was stamped with a number, it is illegal to remove or deface it even if the gun was made before the law required a serial. Some people think a gun with a removed serial is OK if made before 1968...not so. |
August 8, 2015, 02:42 PM | #34 |
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At one time I bought and sold High end Trap Guns . I had two of the same make one was number 4 and one was number FOUR . This was about 10 years ago .
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August 8, 2015, 04:17 PM | #35 |
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About 40 years ago...or so......I was contacted by a fed agency reference a Colt Det Special I had purchased less tax. That number and about 2 tons of weed had been picked up off coast. After a lengthy conversation, agent admitted they had 3 pistols with same SN. 2 went to Govt and 1 to me... I had sold mine to a narc.. Guess
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They had 3 pistols with same SN? The odds say that didn't happen. Something else was going on.
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I think the name appeared only on the barrel and there were a number of other models that differed in only minor details That means it would be possible to "change the model" by installing a different barrel. As you say, it wouldn't be terribly likely for there to be a triplication, but it could happen.
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