SAMCO K31s - Page 2

Surp · June 29, 2014, 03:39 PM

That's cool zfk55 but the only thing that leaves me wondering is how there is still unissued walnut stock k31's. Considering they are the older ones you would think they would get issued before they started issuing the beech stock version or at least at some point in time between the start of beech wood and the end of production.

zfk55 · June 29, 2014, 04:58 PM

After the war walnut became available once again. Being the preferred wood before the war, those stocks produced after the war was over changed back to walnut.

gyvel · June 29, 2014, 10:19 PM

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Tahunua, this is a bit off topic, but would a bayonet affect M91/30 accuracy?

It was my understanding that point of impact was calibrated by the Russians WITH the bayonet attached

Surp · July 6, 2014, 12:18 AM

kilimanjaro what did they tell you on the shipping because I have been waiting for them to ship my mauser for a few weeks now. They told me something about moving locations.

kilimanjaro · July 6, 2014, 09:54 AM

Surp, they have said nothing to me beyond the email order acknowledgment of my order. That was last week.

I plan on calling for an update this week.

A bayonet order last year took three weeks to arrive. Not too concerned yet.

tahunua001 · July 6, 2014, 01:50 PM

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kilimanjaro what did they tell you on the shipping because I have been waiting for them to ship my mauser for a few weeks now. They told me something about moving locations.

they said they'd send me a shipping confirmation and I never got one, you'll probably get a call from your LGS saying they have it before you get an email.

Surp · July 6, 2014, 03:20 PM

Yeah I still haven't got an E-mail from them nor have they charged me.

I heard they were slow but I just thought it was a little weird because at first they said they couldn't take my order because their system was down then they said they could take my order but told me something about moving locations so they wouldn't be able to ship it for two weeks. It's been over two weeks and so far still nothing so I guess I am going to have to call them again tomorrow.

tahunua001 · July 6, 2014, 04:39 PM

yep it took about a week for them to actually charge me.

gyvel · July 6, 2014, 05:53 PM

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...but told me something about moving locations so they wouldn't be able to ship it for two weeks.

They used to be somewhere west of Miami Intl. Airport, but God only knows where they are moving to now.

Quite frankly, I never dealt with them because of some nasty rumors that arose when they first opened around 1982.

Surp · July 6, 2014, 11:21 PM

Don't hold back gyvel. If you know information the rest of us might be interested in let us know.

I had heard some stuff about them piecing together m4b1 snipers and even putting some fakes together but who knows. I was also told they were muslims if that's a factor to you.

I do find it a little crazy that they say only around 5300 m41b's were made and samco has been selling them for almost 20 years without running out yet. Although they now only have un-scoped non-matching ones left.

tahunua001 · July 7, 2014, 01:58 AM

not meaning to hijack the thread but...
with my M41 I do see a few things that I'm not sure about being real or not.
1. the stock inletting around the scope rail is sharp, the rest of the lines are smooth but it looks like someone just took a jigsaw to the stock to get the rail to fit.
2. the bluing is all perfect, the bolt, the receiver, the barrel. I know sweden was neutral, and their guns weren't beat to hell like most, but I don't think I've ever seen such nice bluing on any 70+ year old rifles.
3. the serial number on the rail is electro penciled while everything else is stamped, pretty hard to fake a stamp so I'm not worried about those but it does raise the question why they went to all the trouble of nicely and legibly marking everything but the one spot that you can see the full serial number?

given what I've heard of samco, I wouldn't be surprised if they took a bunch of 1896 mausers, D+T the scope rails on, penciled serials on them, cut the stocks and blued all the necessary parts to match. in the end, I have no way of knowing based on my level of knowledge on these rifles, just hunches, it wouldn't be the only time I've been fleeced and probably won't be the last.

gyvel · July 7, 2014, 05:22 AM

Tahanua, I would be very suspect of anything from Samco.

tahunua001 · July 7, 2014, 12:50 PM

hence why I'm not buying from them anymore unless we're talking about wood bullets for demilling... makes for very cheap ammo that I don't have to worry about picking up when I'm done.

barnbwt · July 7, 2014, 11:01 PM

Was it Samco that had the CAI-imported K31's with the 2"x3" billboard of an import stamp (it was like five lines of text) on top of the rear receiver ring?

TCB

Surp · July 8, 2014, 12:04 AM

Well I talked to the lady there. She Said "They are saying it will not be ready till at least the end of the week". (I assume she meant ready to ship

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They are definitely taking more then enough time to make one from scratch.... It's got me wondering if they are off somewhere bastardizing some poor old unsuspecting M96 to send to me as we speak.

tahunua001 · July 8, 2014, 12:14 AM

reminds me of a disgruntled ex-employee of one of the major online milsurp parts distributors talking about people would come into the store asking if they had a specific part with a specific stamp on it, the guys would walk in the back room, you'd here a few loud bangs of hammer on steel and they'd walk back in holding the exact part you'd asked for with all the "right stamps".

no matter, the M41 I got shoots well enough, if it's nothing more than Gibbs grade fake then so be it, I'm already stuck with it.

Surp · July 8, 2014, 12:35 AM

Yeah, I am still going to go through with getting mine but I am definitely going to look it over well and post up pics so those who know much more than myself about these rifles can look it over as well.

I had heard everything from them making possible fakes to the rifles being old snippers that were no longer up to snuff and that's why they have no scope. So I was very skeptical before ever placing my order and that's why I asked you about yours. You're the only person I have seen that was willing to take the chance on one recently other than myself.

I asked the lady at samco if they were decommissioned snipers she told me no that the scopes got lost or broken over time and that they were 100% fine so I then asked her if I am not happy with it who pays to send it back and she said they would so I placed the order.

Surp · July 13, 2014, 10:53 PM

Kilimanjaro what did they say when you called them?

I am still getting the same exact story so at this rate it will be over a month from the time I placed my order before they even ship the rifle and that's if they actually stick to the time line they gave me this time.

kilimanjaro · July 14, 2014, 12:35 AM

They said 'Wait for it, it's coming." So, I'll wait for it, I guess.

Surp · July 14, 2014, 02:07 AM

They didn't say anything about moving locations or their internet system being down?

gyvel · July 15, 2014, 04:25 AM

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I am still getting the same exact story so at this rate it will be over a month from the time I placed my order before they even ship the rifle and that's if they actually stick to the time line they gave me this time.

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They said 'Wait for it, it's coming." So, I'll wait for it, I guess.

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They didn't say anything about moving locations or their internet system being down?

I'll be real curious to see how this unfolds...

Surp · July 15, 2014, 10:48 AM

I told them to call me before charging me and I finally got the call yesterday saying they where going to charge me and ship my order.

A new thread with pics to come when the little lady finally arrives.

kilimanjaro · July 24, 2014, 04:11 PM

Well, the unissued K31 from Samco has arrived. Walnut stock, new sling, muzzle cover, and totally pristine, all-matching, unissued Swiss K31.

Other than a couple of trivial impressions in the stock wood, and light wear on the buttplate, this is a gem K31. No billboard import marks, in fact, no import marks seem to be present.

Action is smooth as the thigh of a Swiss milkmaid, or butter, if you prefer.

So you folks who are awaiting your order to arrive, you can start salivating a bit more.

I'll try and find my little camera and post some decent pictures. The cell phone camera is really not doing the job, for me.

Mosin-Marauder · July 24, 2014, 05:40 PM

Congratulations! Can't wait to see pictures!

kilimanjaro · July 24, 2014, 06:04 PM

Still looking for the camera ! The cell phone may be it, after all....

Serial number indicates a 1941 manufacture date. I'd requested a WWII year and got it.

June 29, 2014, 03:39 PM	#26
Surp Member Join Date: June 28, 2014 Posts: 99	That's cool zfk55 but the only thing that leaves me wondering is how there is still unissued walnut stock k31's. Considering they are the older ones you would think they would get issued before they started issuing the beech stock version or at least at some point in time between the start of beech wood and the end of production. Last edited by Surp; June 29, 2014 at 04:09 PM.

June 29, 2014, 04:58 PM	#27
zfk55 Senior Member Join Date: December 24, 2009 Location: Lost Prairie Montana Posts: 391	After the war walnut became available once again. Being the preferred wood before the war, those stocks produced after the war was over changed back to walnut. __________________ www.swissproductsllc.com An'' ole' Brer' Rabbit, he set in de bushes, he watch an' he wait, lay low an' he don' say nuffin'

July 6, 2014, 04:39 PM	#33
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 7,839	yep it took about a week for them to actually charge me. __________________ ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar. I never said half the stuff people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin

July 6, 2014, 11:21 PM	#35
Surp Member Join Date: June 28, 2014 Posts: 99	Don't hold back gyvel. If you know information the rest of us might be interested in let us know. I had heard some stuff about them piecing together m4b1 snipers and even putting some fakes together but who knows. I was also told they were muslims if that's a factor to you. I do find it a little crazy that they say only around 5300 m41b's were made and samco has been selling them for almost 20 years without running out yet. Although they now only have un-scoped non-matching ones left. Last edited by Surp; July 6, 2014 at 11:26 PM.

July 7, 2014, 01:58 AM	#36
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 7,839	not meaning to hijack the thread but... with my M41 I do see a few things that I'm not sure about being real or not. 1. the stock inletting around the scope rail is sharp, the rest of the lines are smooth but it looks like someone just took a jigsaw to the stock to get the rail to fit. 2. the bluing is all perfect, the bolt, the receiver, the barrel. I know sweden was neutral, and their guns weren't beat to hell like most, but I don't think I've ever seen such nice bluing on any 70+ year old rifles. 3. the serial number on the rail is electro penciled while everything else is stamped, pretty hard to fake a stamp so I'm not worried about those but it does raise the question why they went to all the trouble of nicely and legibly marking everything but the one spot that you can see the full serial number? given what I've heard of samco, I wouldn't be surprised if they took a bunch of 1896 mausers, D+T the scope rails on, penciled serials on them, cut the stocks and blued all the necessary parts to match. in the end, I have no way of knowing based on my level of knowledge on these rifles, just hunches, it wouldn't be the only time I've been fleeced and probably won't be the last. __________________ ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar. I never said half the stuff people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin

July 6, 2014, 12:18 AM	#29
Surp Member Join Date: June 28, 2014 Posts: 99	kilimanjaro what did they tell you on the shipping because I have been waiting for them to ship my mauser for a few weeks now. They told me something about moving locations.

July 6, 2014, 09:54 AM	#30
kilimanjaro Senior Member Join Date: November 23, 2009 Posts: 3,963	Surp, they have said nothing to me beyond the email order acknowledgment of my order. That was last week. I plan on calling for an update this week. A bayonet order last year took three weeks to arrive. Not too concerned yet.

July 6, 2014, 03:20 PM	#32
Surp Member Join Date: June 28, 2014 Posts: 99	Yeah I still haven't got an E-mail from them nor have they charged me. I heard they were slow but I just thought it was a little weird because at first they said they couldn't take my order because their system was down then they said they could take my order but told me something about moving locations so they wouldn't be able to ship it for two weeks. It's been over two weeks and so far still nothing so I guess I am going to have to call them again tomorrow.

July 7, 2014, 05:22 AM	#37
gyvel Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2009 Location: Northern AZ Posts: 7,172	Tahanua, I would be very suspect of anything from Samco.

July 7, 2014, 12:50 PM	#38
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 7,839	hence why I'm not buying from them anymore unless we're talking about wood bullets for demilling... makes for very cheap ammo that I don't have to worry about picking up when I'm done. __________________ ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar. I never said half the stuff people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin

July 7, 2014, 11:01 PM	#39
barnbwt Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2012 Posts: 1,085	Was it Samco that had the CAI-imported K31's with the 2"x3" billboard of an import stamp (it was like five lines of text) on top of the rear receiver ring? TCB __________________ "I don't believe that the men of the distant past were any wiser than we are today. But it does seem that their science and technology were able to accomplish much grander things." -- Alex Rosewater

July 8, 2014, 12:04 AM	#40
Surp Member Join Date: June 28, 2014 Posts: 99	Well I talked to the lady there. She Said "They are saying it will not be ready till at least the end of the week". (I assume she meant ready to ship ) They are definitely taking more then enough time to make one from scratch.... It's got me wondering if they are off somewhere bastardizing some poor old unsuspecting M96 to send to me as we speak. Last edited by Surp; July 8, 2014 at 12:48 AM.

July 8, 2014, 12:14 AM	#41
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 7,839	reminds me of a disgruntled ex-employee of one of the major online milsurp parts distributors talking about people would come into the store asking if they had a specific part with a specific stamp on it, the guys would walk in the back room, you'd here a few loud bangs of hammer on steel and they'd walk back in holding the exact part you'd asked for with all the "right stamps". no matter, the M41 I got shoots well enough, if it's nothing more than Gibbs grade fake then so be it, I'm already stuck with it. __________________ ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar. I never said half the stuff people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin

July 8, 2014, 12:35 AM	#42
Surp Member Join Date: June 28, 2014 Posts: 99	Yeah, I am still going to go through with getting mine but I am definitely going to look it over well and post up pics so those who know much more than myself about these rifles can look it over as well. I had heard everything from them making possible fakes to the rifles being old snippers that were no longer up to snuff and that's why they have no scope. So I was very skeptical before ever placing my order and that's why I asked you about yours. You're the only person I have seen that was willing to take the chance on one recently other than myself. I asked the lady at samco if they were decommissioned snipers she told me no that the scopes got lost or broken over time and that they were 100% fine so I then asked her if I am not happy with it who pays to send it back and she said they would so I placed the order. Last edited by Surp; July 8, 2014 at 12:57 AM.

July 13, 2014, 10:53 PM	#43
Surp Member Join Date: June 28, 2014 Posts: 99	Kilimanjaro what did they say when you called them? I am still getting the same exact story so at this rate it will be over a month from the time I placed my order before they even ship the rifle and that's if they actually stick to the time line they gave me this time.

July 14, 2014, 12:35 AM	#44
kilimanjaro Senior Member Join Date: November 23, 2009 Posts: 3,963	They said 'Wait for it, it's coming." So, I'll wait for it, I guess.

July 14, 2014, 02:07 AM	#45
Surp Member Join Date: June 28, 2014 Posts: 99	They didn't say anything about moving locations or their internet system being down?

July 15, 2014, 10:48 AM	#47
Surp Member Join Date: June 28, 2014 Posts: 99	I told them to call me before charging me and I finally got the call yesterday saying they where going to charge me and ship my order. A new thread with pics to come when the little lady finally arrives.

July 24, 2014, 04:11 PM	#48
kilimanjaro Senior Member Join Date: November 23, 2009 Posts: 3,963	Well, the unissued K31 from Samco has arrived. Walnut stock, new sling, muzzle cover, and totally pristine, all-matching, unissued Swiss K31. Other than a couple of trivial impressions in the stock wood, and light wear on the buttplate, this is a gem K31. No billboard import marks, in fact, no import marks seem to be present. Action is smooth as the thigh of a Swiss milkmaid, or butter, if you prefer. So you folks who are awaiting your order to arrive, you can start salivating a bit more. I'll try and find my little camera and post some decent pictures. The cell phone camera is really not doing the job, for me.

July 24, 2014, 05:40 PM	#49
Mosin-Marauder Senior Member Join Date: April 18, 2014 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,320	Congratulations! Can't wait to see pictures! __________________ Proud owner of three (four-ish) pieces of history! K-31, Mosin-Nagant M91/30, M24/47 Mauser, Norinco SKS. "You might as well appeal against a thunderstorm..." William Tecumseh Sherman

July 24, 2014, 06:04 PM	#50
kilimanjaro Senior Member Join Date: November 23, 2009 Posts: 3,963	Still looking for the camera ! The cell phone may be it, after all.... Serial number indicates a 1941 manufacture date. I'd requested a WWII year and got it.