Patch Knife Question

Gbro · August 3, 2008, 08:28 AM

I was looking at a shooting friends accessories and his patch knife has a feature on it that he couldn't explain. The 1st pic is of the knife on the table and then a close up of the questioned feature. he said he has seen this feature on several trade knifes and is unsure of its use.

The 3rd pic is of his stout loading tool.

mike6975 · August 3, 2008, 08:38 AM

jesus christ it's a bp pistol not an elephant gun!,still nice work should be able to be passed on down generation to generation to generation to.................aw hell you get the picture.

mike

"never trust somethin that bleeds for seven days and doesn't die"

Raider2000 · August 3, 2008, 08:51 AM

That is a knife that Track of the Wolf sells, similar to this English Trade Knife with Piercing I don't think that is has any real purpose but they call it a piercing.

Smokin_Gun · August 3, 2008, 09:20 AM

The only thing I'd guess it would be for is when you twist the pillow tickin' patch from the length hangin' from possibles bag strap it slides over the twist and cuts it...purely a guess and a reachin' guess at best.

SG

Hawg · August 3, 2008, 10:25 AM

I don't think it serves any purpose but go here and ask these guys, about all they deal with is traditional muzzleloaders and accessories. http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fu.../fusionbb.php?

FL-Flinter · August 3, 2008, 10:47 AM

I've seen these on reproduction patch knives, I've never seen an original with that cut on it - not saying there is not one somewhere but I have not seen one. Originals do have vee and U shape cuts for decoration/personal identification but aside from this I don't feel there was any mechanical purpose for them.

armedandsafe · August 3, 2008, 01:02 PM

In 1946, my maternal grandfather told me that was a sprue cutter. Now you know all of what I know about the subject.

Pops

Bill DeShivs · August 3, 2008, 01:33 PM

The notch is purely decorative. This "patch" knife is a modern India/Pakistan knife.
There were no original "patch knives." They used whatever knife they had.
"Patch knives" are a modern idea. Never let someone sell you an "original" patch knife!

FL-Flinter · August 3, 2008, 06:44 PM

Bill is right, technically there were no original "patch knives" only because they were not called a "patch knife" but rather a:
"Bag knife" - meaning any small knife carried in or on a possibles bag. Most had a sheath sewn to the back of the bag, but some on the side or front.
"Pouch knife" - same as bag knife.
"Poke blade" - same as bag knife with "poke" being another name for "bag".
"Strap knife" - only difference here is that the sheath was sewn to the front strap of the bag, pouch or poke.

There was no set style for this type of knife, they were generally any knife with a blade shorter than 6" and most commonly 3" to 5" and single edge. "The Kentucky Rifle Hunting Pouch" contains sever dozen pictures of original bags showing attached sheaths for small knives. The small knives were not used solely for cutting patches, they were used anytime the larger hunting knife would be impractical.

Gbro · August 3, 2008, 11:00 PM

Thanks for the info,
Piercing, I am not into piercings

I will try the muzzleloading forum just for S-G.

I do like the feel of his loader. Its just right, especially if the alloy is off a smidgen.

August 3, 2008, 09:20 AM	#4
Smokin_Gun Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 2005 Location: Mojave Desert, CA Posts: 1,195	The only thing I'd guess it would be for is when you twist the pillow tickin' patch from the length hangin' from possibles bag strap it slides over the twist and cuts it...purely a guess and a reachin' guess at best. SG __________________ "I Smoke Black Powder" "Favor an 1858 Remington" SGT. Smokin' Gun, Mosby's Rangers 43rd Virginia Cavalry C.S.A. SASS# 19634, ... Admin:http://blackpowdersmoke.com/oldcoots/index.php

August 3, 2008, 10:47 AM	#6
FL-Flinter Senior Member Join Date: June 24, 2007 Location: West Central Florida Posts: 207	I've seen these on reproduction patch knives, I've never seen an original with that cut on it - not saying there is not one somewhere but I have not seen one. Originals do have vee and U shape cuts for decoration/personal identification but aside from this I don't feel there was any mechanical purpose for them. __________________ "Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything." Harry S. Truman [email protected]

August 3, 2008, 01:02 PM	#7
armedandsafe Senior Member Join Date: January 9, 2005 Location: Moses Lake WA Posts: 1,001	In 1946, my maternal grandfather told me that was a sprue cutter. Now you know all of what I know about the subject. Pops __________________ Armed and Safe: Not just a theory If it time to bury them, it is time to dig them up. Remember, "Behind every blade of grass."

August 3, 2008, 01:33 PM	#8
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,984	The notch is purely decorative. This "patch" knife is a modern India/Pakistan knife. There were no original "patch knives." They used whatever knife they had. "Patch knives" are a modern idea. Never let someone sell you an "original" patch knife! __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

August 3, 2008, 06:44 PM	#9
FL-Flinter Senior Member Join Date: June 24, 2007 Location: West Central Florida Posts: 207	Bill is right, technically there were no original "patch knives" only because they were not called a "patch knife" but rather a: "Bag knife" - meaning any small knife carried in or on a possibles bag. Most had a sheath sewn to the back of the bag, but some on the side or front. "Pouch knife" - same as bag knife. "Poke blade" - same as bag knife with "poke" being another name for "bag". "Strap knife" - only difference here is that the sheath was sewn to the front strap of the bag, pouch or poke. There was no set style for this type of knife, they were generally any knife with a blade shorter than 6" and most commonly 3" to 5" and single edge. "The Kentucky Rifle Hunting Pouch" contains sever dozen pictures of original bags showing attached sheaths for small knives. The small knives were not used solely for cutting patches, they were used anytime the larger hunting knife would be impractical. __________________ "Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything." Harry S. Truman [email protected]

August 3, 2008, 08:38 AM	#2
mike6975 Senior Member Join Date: June 29, 2008 Posts: 104	jesus christ it's a bp pistol not an elephant gun!,still nice work should be able to be passed on down generation to generation to generation to.................aw hell you get the picture. mike "never trust somethin that bleeds for seven days and doesn't die"

August 3, 2008, 08:51 AM	#3
Raider2000 Senior Member Join Date: July 23, 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 719	That is a knife that Track of the Wolf sells, similar to this English Trade Knife with Piercing I don't think that is has any real purpose but they call it a piercing.

August 3, 2008, 10:25 AM	#5
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	I don't think it serves any purpose but go here and ask these guys, about all they deal with is traditional muzzleloaders and accessories. http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fu.../fusionbb.php?

August 3, 2008, 11:00 PM	#10
Gbro Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,084	Thanks for the info, Piercing, I am not into piercings I will try the muzzleloading forum just for S-G. I do like the feel of his loader. Its just right, especially if the alloy is off a smidgen. __________________ Gbro CGVS For the message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, But to us who are being saved, It Is The Power Of God. 1Corinthians 1-18