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engage the shooter
TEXASSEARAY this ROWG is with you all the way.
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I would go after him. Marines run towards the gunfire not away from it.
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Were not on our birds, and yes, the water did cause a lot of smoke on takeoff Jeff. I did get a ride in a fan bird last year--quick and quiet.
J-57s--Loud?? Not near as loud as a B-36 on takeoff with 6 turning and four burning. The problem with an active shooter has been well explored. If I cannot retreat with my charges, I will seek cover and wait, engaging if necessary. |
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I do not advocate simply blasting away in the bad guy's general direction. There is way too much collateral damage that could occur. If I did not have a clear shot or could not get close enough, I would try and get closer or wait for the bad guy to reload and rush him. As for the legal ramifications, I am prepared to deal with them. Of course I would get any loved ones with me to safety and I would not go rushing in like a sheep to slaughter. You guys seem to make it all or nothing here. Like I mentioned earlier, approach cautiously and look for a good shot. There will be plenty of witnesses and most malls have good surveillance systems. As for avoiding malls, that is a little hard since I own a business in one. Malls are great places to shop since you have multiple stores in one location. You have to consider the fact that crazed gunmen can attack any crowded areas. Unless you plan on living like a hermit, just live your life and be prepared to act should the need ever arise.
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I have no duty to protect anybody but my "self imposed" duty to self and family.
With that said, I will protect myself and my family, nothing more, nothing less when I'm off duty. It sounds selfish, but it's reality. Life isn't like the movies and Use Of Force Investigations SUCK, BTDT. If you are not a member of my family I am not willing to risk bancruptcy, prison, financial ruin or death for you. If I can flee without firing a shot, that's what I will do. If my family or self is being threatened then I will respond appropriately, or I hope I do. I have "appropriately" responded in the past if that is any indication of future behavior. Just because I'm fleeing doesn't mean however that I'm not being a good witness and summoning the "On Duty" LEO's to the scene. The only exception I will make to assisting another is in the case of an "IDENTIFIED" LEO. Other than that, you all are on your own, just like I expect to be. BTW, I'm an LEO. Biker |
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In that case we would run both ways, Just like we did at the Chosin resivoir and Khe Sahn and the Canal. If there is just one of us we attack one way and when that target is defeated we go the other way LOL. If you look at history its not us Marines that are in trouble when we get surrounded its the ones who surround us that have the major problem. We like it as we dont have to go looking for them LOL. Marines have a proud battle history, i am proud to have been a part of it. Semper Fi
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Yes, but you are not a group of marines, but a single individual, which way do you run when the shooting is from two directions?
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Well that depends on the situation. How often are you going to be in a crossfire as a civilian?? I am not worried about it. I am not really concerned about having to engage one person much less two. Yes a terrible tradgedy did happen at a mall but millions of others shopped in in peace. The odds are almost like winning the lottery to being in a shoot out.
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