|
Forum Rules | Firearms Safety | Firearms Photos | Links | Library | Lost Password | Email Changes |
Register | FAQ | Calendar | Search | Today's Posts | Mark Forums Read |
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
December 2, 2007, 04:09 PM | #26 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 23, 2005
Posts: 955
|
Some people cant wait to shoot some thing. I would not start lobbing bullets at my car. it did nothing to me to deserve it. I would kick the **** out of the one who stole it but not start shooting.
__________________
Colt King Cobra .357 Colt Anaconda .44mag Springfield Armory .45 Double stack Loaded XD40 service XD45 Taurus 617 .357mag Smith M&P 40 |
December 2, 2007, 05:19 PM | #27 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 30, 2007
Location: OBX, NC
Posts: 1,128
|
There are times when "call 911 and let the cops handle" it is the best response.
__________________
“If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth.” Ronald Reagan I'm a proud member of a North Carolina Committee of Safety |
December 2, 2007, 07:11 PM | #28 |
Senior Member
Join Date: November 20, 2001
Location: Knoxville, TN
Posts: 901
|
Is there a person in the car? Yes? Then you're shooting at a person!
Is your life in danger? No? Then you can't shoot at the person!
__________________
- Honor is a wonderful and glorious thing... until it gets you killed! - Why is it that we fire 1,000 rounds and know that we need more practice, but yet we punch a bag 10 times and think we know how to fight? - When in doubt, train, train, train... |
December 2, 2007, 07:19 PM | #29 |
Senior Member
Join Date: June 21, 2007
Location: Huntington, WV
Posts: 662
|
My CCW instructor made it crystal to the class you are only justified in shooting if your or someone else's life in in danger.
There's no way this is justified. You simply do not shoot except in defense of a life. To me, it's common sense. You try to shoot out the tires, find out it's a repo man, you're charged with wanton endangerment, brandishing, and about a dozen other offenses. Thousands of dollars in legal fees, criminal charges, and a million dollar civil suit over a stupid car. |
December 2, 2007, 07:49 PM | #30 |
Senior Member
Join Date: March 28, 2005
Posts: 729
|
Now wait a minute
You’d be willing to shoot up your own car. Kind of takes the fun out of a good police chase doesn't it. Let them shoot the car up. They can usually find a way to do it semi-legally. I doubt you could.
__________________
Air goes in and out. Blood goes 'round and 'round. Any variation on this is a very bad thing. 개인 정보를 보호하십시요 |
December 2, 2007, 08:55 PM | #31 |
Senior Member
Join Date: January 20, 2007
Posts: 1,536
|
That would not be legal in Florida unless you feared immediate death of grave bodliy harm. And, firing a weapon is governed by laws that are not the same as CCW, so you'd probably face charges for discharging the gun. You'd be better off calling 911.
|
December 2, 2007, 09:22 PM | #32 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: March 11, 2005
Posts: 3,840
|
Quote:
Please look something up before spouting off you opinions next time. By the way, +1 on LoJack. If they are experienced car thieves, you might help locate a bunch of stolen cars. Professionals will usually leave cars in ramdom parking lots for several days to see if they are equipped with LoJack. Either that, or they will put the cars in containers and ship them off ASAP (usually to South and Central America).
__________________
The ATF should be a convenience store instead of a government agency! |
|
December 2, 2007, 09:43 PM | #33 |
Member
Join Date: November 29, 2002
Location: Greenbow, Alabama
Posts: 82
|
No, you can't legally shoot at the vehicle. The thief is fleeing and neither you nor anyone else is in danger. If you were to shoot and kill the BG or someone who would a grand jury and jury view the case when YOU left the vehicle running.
|
December 2, 2007, 11:39 PM | #34 |
Senior Member
Join Date: July 14, 2006
Location: FL
Posts: 129
|
I wouldn’t shoot even if legal to do so. If a bullet bounces off and kills an innocent, you are responsible.
|
December 3, 2007, 01:37 AM | #35 | ||
Junior member
Join Date: August 5, 2007
Location: Florida
Posts: 1,982
|
Quote:
This is the Florida State statute that says use of force is permissible to stop or prevent a forcible felony: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0776/SEC012.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0776->Section%20012#0776.012 776.012 Use of force in defense of person.--A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if: (1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or (2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013. Here is the definition of a forcible felony: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0776/SEC08.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0776->Section%2008#0776.08 776.08 Forcible felony.--"Forcible felony" means treason; murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery; burglary; arson; kidnapping; aggravated assault; aggravated battery; aggravated stalking; aircraft piracy; unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb; and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual. I will admit that the situation as presented by the original post is not a cut and dried case of an imminent threat, but this: Quote:
|
||
December 3, 2007, 01:44 AM | #36 |
Senior Member
Join Date: October 20, 2007
Posts: 1,135
|
I don't think too many states allow for protection of property, only human life in the instance of grave bodily harm or certain death.
And to the guy in Fla... read the laws better before you end up in big trouble. The Castle Doctrine limits you to ONLY your home within its 4 walls, and they include an attached garage. The original poster's scenario played out in his driveway, and then as the car was driving down the street. In Fla he would not have been justified. Also as detailed in his account... you cannot shoot a fleeing suspect for any reason whatsoever. Not at any time, not anywhere. Period. |
December 3, 2007, 02:36 AM | #37 |
Junior member
Join Date: August 5, 2007
Location: Florida
Posts: 1,982
|
man I even posted word for word the exact statute. It doesn't say anywhere that it has to be in your home.
I'm not saying that he'd be justified shooting, I know I wouldn't shoot personally, but I am saying that he'd have a case to defend himself in court, especially if he could make the case that he felt threatened due to his guns being in ths vehicle. My last post was an attempt to show that Florida statutes do permit the use of force to prevent a forcible felony, which includes carjacking, robbery, etc. I did this in response to the guy that said force cannot be used to protect property. Does that break it down enough? |
December 3, 2007, 07:04 AM | #38 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: October 2, 2005
Posts: 526
|
Quote:
|
|
December 3, 2007, 12:12 PM | #39 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 18, 2007
Posts: 305
|
Keep in mind there are a lot of car parts that bullets like to bounce off of.
There have been several stories in the news (one in the past couple weeks) where police have fired on cars and the bullets have ricocheted and struck people (the most recent story the officer was hit). Just another reason why its not worth it. |
December 3, 2007, 12:22 PM | #40 |
Senior Member
Join Date: April 13, 2005
Location: Hudson Valley, New York
Posts: 1,371
|
Probably not legal 1st off, and 2nd,
EVERY round you fire is YOUR responsibility, where it goes and what it does when it gets there is YOUR problem. And take out the driver by mistake, and every where that car goes is your problem too - just not worth it as described. |
December 3, 2007, 12:27 PM | #41 |
Senior Member
Join Date: September 14, 2007
Location: Englewood, CO
Posts: 618
|
Someone stealing and driving off with your vehicle does not present a clear and present threat of bodily injury.
Now, if you or someone defenseless were standing in front of the car and the perp decided to try to run you/them over, then I would say you are legally able to shoot in self defense. |
December 3, 2007, 12:46 PM | #42 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: September 12, 2005
Posts: 3,733
|
This is so stupid it is funny. Seriously, are you here trolling for HCI and Sarah Brady?
Quote:
If you are such an idiot that you would leave all that in a car running with the keys in it and the doors unlocked the whole of society would be better served by you simply shooting yourself before you go on to arm more criminals. In SOME states you MAY be coverred by law for shooting at your car in such a case. The safest legal and moral justification in all 50 states for the use of lethal force has and always will be to stop the immediate assualt with deadly force upon an innocent party (safest if this is yourself or immediate family). I know you want to run out into the street firing away like Mel Gibson in Lethal Weapon but that is almost universally NOT the intelligent thing to do.
__________________
"Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies." Thomas Jefferson "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." Benjamin Franklin |
|
December 3, 2007, 12:48 PM | #43 |
Junior member
Join Date: April 8, 2007
Location: Virginia
Posts: 3,769
|
Maybe it was commandeered by the police...haven't you ever seen "Hollywood Homicide"?
|
December 3, 2007, 12:55 PM | #44 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: September 12, 2005
Posts: 3,733
|
ISC stated:
Quote:
Sorry "involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual." does not in any way cover some person driving away from you with your car which you left the keys in and doors unlocked. You come back and see your car driving away. No confrontation took place. No threat of lethal force was made. You could have left a fully auto M60 and 2,000 rounds of ammo in the trunk but NO THREAT was ever made by the theif. I have faced a REAL carjacking in FL and it is very different than the stupid scenario posted. Real carjackings are what the law was made to address, not morons who leave their keys in running, unlocked cars!
__________________
"Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies." Thomas Jefferson "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." Benjamin Franklin |
|
December 3, 2007, 01:01 PM | #45 |
Senior Member
Join Date: November 17, 2000
Posts: 20,064
|
Hello - 911. My car has been stolen so I shot it full of holes. Please tell the officers to look for a car full of bullet holes!
What, officers are coming to my house and I should lie down on the lawn? ---------- Hello, AllFarm Insurance. My car was stolen. I shot it full of holes so that it can be easily identified. The police found it down the street. Now can you send an adjuster to tell me how much it will cost to replace all those major panels on the body and new seats? What about the blood? What? You won't pay? What you are cancelling my policy? What do you mean that if you just let the car go and not shoot it, you would have paid off its fair value? ------- Listen, wife - How many times do I have to tell you why I shot up our truck!! You think I'm stupid - what about your momma?
__________________
NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens |
December 3, 2007, 01:46 PM | #46 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: October 27, 2005
Location: Crescent Iowa
Posts: 2,971
|
Quote:
|
|
December 3, 2007, 04:38 PM | #47 |
Moderator Emeritus
Join Date: March 24, 2005
Location: Steubenville, OH
Posts: 4,446
|
The question's been asked and answered, almost unanimously. Don't shoot your car, unless you've donated it to Knob Creek .
On to more productive things. Closed.
__________________
TFL Members are ambassadors to the world for firearm owners. What kind of ambassador does your post make you? I train in earnest, to do the things that I pray in earnest, I'll never have to do. --Capt. Charlie |
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
|
|