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November 27, 2007, 01:57 PM | #51 |
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The 'no guns' signs, like at UPS (FedEx doesn't have them), is in the same category as 'no red underwears'. The propery owner will never find out what I wear, so in this case I don't care. The property owner thinks a no-guns-policy will eliminate robbery and assault. Let the property owner continue to live in that dream...
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November 27, 2007, 02:00 PM | #52 |
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Have you hugged your hand gun today?
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November 27, 2007, 02:25 PM | #53 | ||
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Reacting? My "reaction" was to be alert and aware and somewhat concerned. I already stated that if I had a weapon at the time, my actions would have been NO DIFFERENT. It wasn't like I was going to draw down on them on the basis that I was concerned that they MIGHT be up to "no good" and that a robbery attempt MIGHT POSSIBLY occur. If I had posted this story and told how that I saw them come in, then turned my back and ignored them, and then got my wallet stolen and was beaten to a pulp and cut in the process - the same people who are faulting me for "overreacting" would probably be the same ones faulting me for not going on full alert and preparing for the possibility of a imminent robbery/assault attempt...! Whatever... Reminds me of a girl I once dated BRIEFLY. When I "A", she wanted "B". When I did "B", what she really wished I had done was "C". No one could do anything without her finding fault and picking them apart... Here are a few articulable facts: - males are more than five times more likely to commit a crime than females - 68% of robberies are committed by males between age 12 to 34 -- source: Dept of Justice website Here is an articulable opinion, mine: - these guys looked and acted like thugs who might be looking for trouble |
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If they weren't acting in a threatening manner, "just talking and cutting up among themselves", I would have taken them at face value that they were a group of guys hanging out doing whatever it is they were doing. FYI, I have been assaulted by a group of "young male caucasians" before -- but not under these circumstances. That time, I was a teenager playing tennis with 2 black friends at a public park. We were chased away by a group of bat-swinging, brick-throwing, insult-hurling "young male caucasians" who felt that Blacks had no business playing tennis on a public tennis court on a Saturday afternoon -- but that's another story. Suffice it to say that Mt. Greenwood park in Chicago back in 1975 was a very different place than it is today. If you're from Chicago, you'll understand. (No point being made here other than "we've all had our share of bad experiences.") Quote:
The point I was making in my rant is that not everyone who looks different than you and acts differently than you expect is out to harm you. You do have to "be aware" of your surroundings but not to the point that every group of "different looking individuals" becomes a group of "thugs looking for trouble." |
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November 27, 2007, 02:31 PM | #55 | |
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November 27, 2007, 03:14 PM | #56 |
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Jay1958, you are entitled to feel what ever you felt.
Personally, I often feel uneasy about shady characters. My solution is to have nothing to do with them, not stand close to them, etc. It is my life. |
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If I have a public business, I cannot put up a sign that says "whites only" or "men only" or "No Jews." I especially cannot openly employ those attitudes/tactics in hiring practices. Now, I'm not saying I agree with that. I'm a believer in property owner's rights. And I believe a business should be allowed to only serve whites or blacks or Jews or deny them service or employment. I think the market place would show them a huge backlash (as it should be), but they should be free to be a bigoted idiot if they so desire. However, if a property owner/business owner accepts so much as one nickel of public money (ie, tax dollars) or gets tax breaks, then he/she has another set of rules they must operate by and that changes the equation substantially. Quote:
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The whole point that I was trying to make, that seems to have been completely missed, is that you don't always know when and where things may go bad. A lot of people on this board keep saying "avoid those situations", and the only real point I was trying to make is that I felt like I ended up in a very vulnerable, weak position without any real way of knowing what I was walking into. Regardless of what those four guys actual intentions were, if they would have pulled guns and/or knives and set about robbing me and the cash register/front counter, what seemed like a very low-risk situation: going to ship a package at a UPS Customer Center at one of their service hubs, might have turned out to be quite literally the death of me. The question that I was trying to ask is: if in fact that would have happened, how could that situation have been avoided? Pay someone to run your errands? Stay inside your castle and put alligators in the moat? Situations that you don't want to find yourself in, can't always be avoided. |
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I went to the post office today. Beforehand I had put my large .357 magnum in the glove compartment. On the parking lot of the post office I drove by the entrance and looked for shady characters, inside or outside parked cars. I saw none. I parked right outside the entrance. I did my errand. Returned to my car. Popped my heavy baby back in its hip holster and drove off. Had there been warning signals when I arrived I would have driven to another post office. Snug as a bug in a rug.
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November 28, 2007, 03:04 AM | #60 | |
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And like I always warn folks, I'm really a 14 year old high school girl on the school cheerleading squad who portrays an old biker on discussion forums. |
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November 28, 2007, 10:31 AM | #61 |
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Here is a very interesting article with some very pertinent lessons to be learned:
http://www.slate.com/id/2178230 |
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Many times during these debates I think that the generalities we use become "facts" as the discussion continues. For example, as this thread stretched on it was clear to me that our use of the word "gang" translated to "any time I am outnumbered." Obviously you cannot hide behind that if you are the aggressor and you are the one that initiated the attack. Also, you have pointed out another flaw in the overall reasoning in private CCW. What is legal in East T-Shirt Iowa is not protected by the same statutes as in Eskimo Pants, Alaska. Now, most of us enjoy target shooting and hunting and we're quite savvy abut the patchwork quilt of laws and their idiocy. But like them or not, if you break a law, you do the time. My concern has always been that one guy in a thousand that thinks because he read something in a computer forum it is fact and protection under law. This is the nut-job who stumbles into a Denny's Restaurant at zero-dark-thirty. He finds me and a few friends peacefully out on the highway trying to get home, and comes up blazing because an individual is always 'right' when facing a 'gang.' He knows this. He read it in a forum. |
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The Tourist, what kind of attitude is that you are cultivating on your own behalf? Don't you think I and most others here can differ between black scumbag and a decent black person? It's not the color of a person's skin that defines a person; it's his attitude.
Wake up, will you? Or do you take pride in dragging down the black community? |
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I was once banned from a forum because they believed I only posed as a real biker. Their 'evidence'? Well, I admitted to being white collar, I have a college degree, and my use of language "was not something they had ever seen." Hence, I must be a poser. The day it happened I was so angry I actually imagined driving my front wheel over the groin of the instigator, crushing his gonads, and laughing, "Well, this isn't really happening, you said this bike doesn't truly exist!" But, for the purposes of this debate (and frankly other ones) I feel you should always be careful in stating facts, privileges as opposed to rights, quotes from media sources, and the implications of historical situations. Or, come see me and watch me sharpen. You can polish the chrome on my bike while you wait. (I'm still ticked off.) |
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I still think that if one person insults your group, then ONE person from your group steps up. I just don't see a situation where "Barney Fife" would require more than one person to set him straight.
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December 6, 2007, 09:18 PM | #70 |
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stay armed
Stay armed and loaded to the hilt, and when you sense one of these altercations about to happen turn around and say which one of you m-fer's wants to die first.. they're nothing but punks I say kill'em all or die trying, just my advice.
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December 6, 2007, 09:24 PM | #71 |
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take the isreali approach.
krav magna. maga? not sure the spelling.. but it's mostly yiddish for wail on some ass, I think. standard issue for the mossad, isreali defense (offense?) forces. incorporates weapons (knives, pistols, m16s with bayonets, whatever). looks fairly effective, although I've never had any formal training in it or any other fighting art.
all that being said, I think you're better off to do all you can to be sure you don't get into such scenarios in the first place. |
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The fact is that idiots come in all flavors. A biker quietly eating dinner is not a target for your amusement. So don't be surprised is your smart alec comments land you on the floor with a boot in your azz. BTW, it's my experience that today's bikers make a whole lot more money and come from a better neighborhood than their detractors. Every price a Harley? As for my upbringing, I always know which fork to use. |
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I'm going to harp on this thing until the Walter Mitty's get it right. It's the Barney Fifes that usually start fights. Why would a scarred, rock-hard muscled 250 pound throttle jockey grab a bespeckled weinie in a public place--and then need six other guys to help put him down? Sorry, pal, it don't happen. Now, do drunken townies wander over to guys to impress their girl friends, or more properly their drinking buddies. Yes, all of the time. Now, listen up. This is important. After the idiot is thrown out, squealing into the night, a Monday morning appears on the horizon, and Einstein has to go back to work at the carwash, or The Goodwill sorting center or his plasma donation outlet. His face has been pummeled by a really angry guy who has just been served a perfect cheeseburger after a hard day of really working, and the innocent guy is miffed. So, the now sober townie is asked by his equally squalid friends what happened. And he doesn't want to admit the truth. So through his remaining eleven teeth (you'll remember that one aspect of a townie is that they have the same number of teeth as toes) he whimpers... "It was a gang, I tell ya.' It was six, no fourteen bikers/cowboys/stevedores with wrought iron muscles, each one carrying a dozen weapons. Of course, I successfully fought them all off bravely, until another twenty jumped me from behind..." Yakkety, yakkety. If I've heard this story once... My question is simply this. Why do you so easily believe the idiot, and not me? |
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And with that -- this thread has wandered a long way from realistically discussing strategies and tactics.
Closed. pax |
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