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To me the core issues have always been:
1) The use of a federal agency, federal resources and federal funding against the American people. 2) The existance of a federal agency that seems intent on undermining the constitution of the United States. I think the DEA report is an important piece and it shows that things are coming unraveled for the DOJ. They've been chanting: It was a bad tactic started during the Bush administration and we've taken steps to ensure it doesn't happen again - it's done, it's over all in the past, nothing more to talk about. But as more and more people like Tony Coulson come forward, it should be harder and harder for Holder to say "it was just a mistake." With so many field agents and first line supervisors screaming that it was a tremendously bad idea... that it was dangerous, at some point their defense becomes implausable. It's also going to unravel for them when Issa calls people like Elizabeth Kempshall to testify. How many people are going to tow the party line like Burke, Newell and Lanny Breuer? |
February 11, 2012, 12:08 AM | #1979 |
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You mention Elizabeth Kempshall . at the possible risk of sounding "out of it" or worse, who is she? Alan |
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From the Fox News article Dead posted:
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Perhaps they (Republicans) are interested in stretching out the proceedings somewhat to have more of an election time impact (particularly if heads start rolling). Quote:
BORDER BATTLELINES BOEHNER SABOTAGING FAST AND FURIOUS PROBE? Exclusive: Tom Tancredo declares House speaker needs a backbone transplant Published: 21 hours ago http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/boehner-s...furious-probe/
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Media Research Center (MRC) has done an analysis of the non-coverage of holder's testimony before the committee and it ain't pretty.
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Apparently, Holder admitted during the course of his testimony that the administration is still working on reinstating the Assault Weapons Ban; but you can bet it will be on steroids.
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Gun Control: The premise that a woman found in an alley, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose, is morally superior to allowing that same woman to defend her life with a firearm. "Science is built up with facts, as a house is with stones. But a collection of facts is no more a science than a heap of stones is a house." - Jules Henri Poincare "Three thousand people died on Sept. 11 because eight pilots were killed" -- former Northwest Airlines pilot Stephen Luckey |
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February 12, 2012, 11:24 PM | #1985 |
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Re jimpeel in post 1981, on ABC and NBC Anything But Fast and Furious On Gunwalking Scandal, as it is descsribed, given the very long lived and well established anti gun attitude of media, is anyone surprised? Nobody is, I expected that that would be the case.
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jimpeel in post 1982 noted from elsewhere,
Apparently, Holder admitted during the course of his testimony that the administration is still working on reinstating the Assault Weapons Ban; but you can bet it will be on steroids. SOURCE Quote: Holder tells Congress the Obama administration wants to ban guns By Chris Cox Published: 9:29 AM 02/08/2012 | Updated: 9:13 PM 02/09/2012 ... In a rash attempt to deflect attention away from himself and his own irresponsibility, Holder let Congress know that the Obama administration is still working toward the day when it can reinstate former President Bill Clinton’s so-called “assault weapons” ban. According to Holder: This administration has consistently favored the reinstitution of the assault weapons ban. It is something that we think was useful in the past with regard to the reduction that we’ve seen in crime, and certainly would have a positive impact on our relationship and the crime situation in Mexico. ---------------------------------- Does this come as a surprise to anyone? |
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Yyyyeppers!!!
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Gun Control: The premise that a woman found in an alley, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose, is morally superior to allowing that same woman to defend her life with a firearm. "Science is built up with facts, as a house is with stones. But a collection of facts is no more a science than a heap of stones is a house." - Jules Henri Poincare "Three thousand people died on Sept. 11 because eight pilots were killed" -- former Northwest Airlines pilot Stephen Luckey |
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The desire to tighten gun laws was undoubtedly a driving force behind the whole Gunrunner debacle. Holder's statement about pursuing the assault weapons ban was undoubtedly a Freudian slip.
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February 14, 2012, 11:50 AM | #1989 |
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There is a site called gopvalentines.com which has various politically themed Valentine's Day e-cards for people. Not to get political; but one of the Valentines is a picture of Eric Holder from the Fast and Furious testimony with the words "I must have missed your Valentine when it crossed my desk." written on it. Dark humor maybe; but I thought some here might appreciate it
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^^^Early on in his tenure, Holder was talking about reinstatement, but he got a lot of pushback and retreated. That he still mumbles about bringing it back, after this long, declining crime in the US, etc, is a measure of his bigoted views about armed citizens, and probably that his concern isn't about what an AWB can do to lessen crime rates.
The whole meme (which started up after Holder promoted a new AWB and then retreated) from Obama and Calderon down about how the cartels were arming themselves via US gunshops had only one logical conclusion, a new AWB. Unfortunately. too many facts got out and the meme died. F+F is a bungled op, but to make "the facts" fit this narrative. It started with the desire to disarm citizens, as Holder discloses again in this quote, which Obama and cadre have had since well before he was elected. The reappearance of Napolitano's treatise on right-wing threats to the state, after she was forced to withdraw it, is another indication of the popularity of AWB's with some factions in government. None of this has anything to do with crime suppression, IMO, unless resistance to the expansion of state control is included.
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The problem with Issa's threat of a contempt charge is that he blinked.
He seems to have made the threat without being willing to carry it through. February 3rd came and went, and the documents still haven't been produced. His response was "we don't have forever," but that isn't the same. At this point, many people are going to consider his threat hollow. Worse yet, it will reinforce the growing belief that this whole process is a petty partisan attempt on Issa's part to slander the sitting administration.
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It wasn't as if the deadline came and went and DOJ ignored it, they asked for an extension, and Issa didn't exactly grant it, but also didn't initiate contempt proceedings. Slight difference.
But maybe it's time to write to our representatives expressing our opinion that Holder should be held in contempt. Last edited by C0untZer0; February 15, 2012 at 01:20 PM. |
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And Holder will ignore this latest missive and Issa will squawk again and Holder/Obama will yet again proclaim this is all a political, partisan, election year witch hunt (which in actuality it rather is, given the GOP's disinclination to take this to the mattresses).
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Well, I wrote to my representative and Congressman Issa anyway.
Issa has a site where anyone, even people out of his district can write him a form e-mail: http://issa.house.gov/index.php?opti...=597&Itemid=73 Quote:
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CZ, I would love to be wrong on this. But I just don't see it. I think Issa and Grassley would love to take this fight as far as it can go, but they're being held back by their leadership who see anything beyond rhetoric as a losing political calculus. So that leaves us with this unsatisfying Kabuki dance.
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Tom Servo The problem with Issa's threat of a contempt charge is that he blinked.
He seems to have made the threat without being willing to carry it through. February 3rd came and went, and the documents still haven't been produced. His response was "we don't have forever," but that isn't the same. At this point, many people are going to consider his threat hollow. Worse yet, it will reinforce the growing belief that this whole process is a petty partisan attempt on Issa's part to slander the sitting administration. -------------------------------- Indeed, where exactly are the contempt citations? |
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In my opinion, there is absolutely no question whatever that Holder, Obama too desired, desires a reinstatement of this so-called Assault Weapons Ban, with god knows how many new wrinkles. They will also do most anything they can to cover the screw-up that is Operation Fast and Furious. The claim that "it started in the Bush administration" is beside the point, for it continued in the Obama administration, and if not for the fact that the thing blew up in their faces, would likely still be running
Given that Obama once offered "there is a Second Amendment for Wyoming, and there is a Second Amendment for Chicago, how much more plainly stated could the man's position possibly be? He is anti gun, anti gun rights to the smallest bone in his nobody, and likely always was. Signs proclaiming WET PAINT, aren’t kidding. |
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I think Issa is just as happy to wait until the general election season and then get nasty and start beating them over the head and shoulders with it. No need to press on right now when people might "forget" by election day.
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Doesn't matter.
Congressman Issa directly challenged Holder. Issa blinked. The letter merely confirms that this is all partisan political pandering. |
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