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April 25, 2010, 04:53 PM | #1 | |
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gun confiscation in Shreveport, LA???
I got an email from a friend of mine. It appears that he got an article from the "National Gun Rights Association" in which there is a story about the police in the city of Shreveport having the authority to confiscate firearms from people it pulls over for traffic stops (that it, unrelated), such as those having ccw.
I have to be honest, this seems really hard to believe - not because the actual confiscation couldn't happen - but because if it was a city-wide ordinance, there would have to have been some kind of lawsuit filed by now. So, two questions. 1) Anybody heard of such a thing? 2) I tried to search the NGRA website and couldn't find the article. However, I haven't really heard of this group before. Are they legit? The come across as pretty alarmist to me, but I thought I'd ask. Here's a copy of the article, in case anyone is interested. Quote:
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April 26, 2010, 10:38 AM | #2 |
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Thanks for sharing the story, I checked into it and there appear to be several versions of the story out there, some on blogs and a few are news articles from local reporters.
AFAIK is is perfectly acceptable for an officer to secure a firearm during a traffic stop, and it was returned at the end of the officer's traffic stop. The profiling is disturbing, but seems to be more common these days, I looked into it and the SCOTUS seems to have no problem with it. Its the modern equivalent of DWB, or Arizona's new immigration law.
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April 26, 2010, 11:31 AM | #3 |
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I personally don't trust the "article." Given the rhetoric and word choice, it seems far to slanted to be reported accurately in this fashion. I wonder what the "Morbidly ObeseCheif's" story really is.
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April 26, 2010, 11:41 AM | #5 |
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Unless one is planning to visit or move to Shreveport La. is it really relevant and does it matter?
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April 26, 2010, 11:48 AM | #6 |
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Ok, that's not so bad. My understanding from the first post was that they were systematically taking guns away. It's just a ballsy cop and a stupid mayor.
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April 26, 2010, 12:14 PM | #7 |
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OK.
Now that there's a little more subjectivity into this... No guns were "confiscated." Anyone who uses that term is engaging in some serious hyperbole. The gun was retained for the duration of the traffic stop, then RETURNED. If the individual was so worried about being on a busy street without his gun (while a police officer was there), why did he get out of the car without his gun in the first place? Doesn't make much sense. I'm not sure what Louisiana law is, but I know that the law in other RTC carry states gives a police officer who stops a CCW'er the authority to TEMPORARILY, for the duration of the stop, secure and take possession of the gun. I have no clue what this "National Gun Rights Association" is, but if they're trying to fight for gun rights they'd do a much better job of it by not being so bombastic and so damned wrong in their characterizations of what happened during the traffic stop. I just did a Google on the NGRA, and the only one that I've found that seems to have any substance is based in Jamaica, West Indies. Not sure why this would resonate with them. OK.... This was actually put out by the National Association for Gun Rights. The sequence of words is VERY important. OK... I've just read through some of the stuff on their website. Let's just say that I am NOT, by any stretch of the imagination, impressed. Lots of misinformation, bombast, hyperbole, and out and out incorrect information in their blogs. If these are our friends... And WOW! Some of the reader comments are REALLY out there.
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April 26, 2010, 12:33 PM | #8 | |
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The NAGR is a gun rights wannabe organization. They use fear tactics to solicit donations. I can find no record of their monetary donations to the cause of gun rights. You may be even less impressed by a congressman who shills for the NAGR: http://www.capveterans.com/stop_obama_in_2010/id15.html |
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April 26, 2010, 08:18 PM | #9 |
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That was pretty much what I thought, but I wanted to try and get some independent confirmation before forming an opinion on either the truthfulness or the meaning of what was reported. I can't say I'm terribly impressed with the NAGR.
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Mike, you know I have a low opinion of GOA and their constant ragging on the NRA. They've got nothing on this new org, NAGR.
Personally, I wouldn't take anything they wrote as any kind of truth. Their stance on this "issue" sorta proves the point. |
April 26, 2010, 11:01 PM | #11 |
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Thank you
I would just like to take a moment and thank horseman308 for posting this in a manner acceptable to the L&CR forum, instead of just a simple cut & paste drive by.
Too many times a well meaning poster only does a drive by, without giving any information or proposing any kind of discussion beyond a "hey, check this out!", and the thread gets closed, per L&CR rules. Good job, and thanks!
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April 27, 2010, 08:42 AM | #12 |
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I'd say it more than sorta proves the point, Al. That's the kind of skunk smell that I expect to come out of some of the anti-gun groups. I'd love to know what's driving these clowns.
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Wading through all the "hyperbole" (my new favorite word BTW) of the initial article, the only real issue I see is the possibility of "political profiling"...
If in fact failure to use a turn signal warrents a citation in LA, and if in fact the officer actually addressed the failure to use a turn signal, then I really see no wrongdoing. But, if the officer never addressed the turn signal issue and only concentrated on the presence of firearms through the duration of the stop, I see a high probability of profiling, given the nature of the citizen's bumper stickers. One reason why the only sticker on my truck is the Coast Guard decal I have to display in order to drive on base... I've never seen a Brady-bunch-type say "You know what? I've always thought guns were evil, but after seeing that 'Guns don't kill people, people kill people!' bumper sticker I think I'll join the NRA now."
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April 29, 2010, 10:00 PM | #14 |
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Im with thallub
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I think you are spot on....I have seen something on the web concerning them promoting HILLARY and the UN small arms treaty. I'm in the IMPOSTER SOLICITING DONATIONS CAMP with these guys. |
May 31, 2010, 10:06 AM | #15 |
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Don P, it absolutely matters. Whether any of us live in Shreveport or ever visit there, we need to know about such events. Knowing about firearms seizures in NO during Katrina has helped us in NC start pushing our legislators to prevent such a thing here. Bad enough for something to happen once, shame on us if we don't react and try to prevent a repeat.
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Money I am sure. Send me money so I can spend it comming up with more hyperbole and B.S. to scare you out of more money. The only way to fight this kind of stuff is to send me money so I can expose them for what they are. Your rights will be affected if you don't. Especially being in the West Indies, I would imagine they do not have to worry to much about US Tax codes and non-profit paperwork. Thanks for doing more research on these folks. P.s. - But seriously, you can send me some money.
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