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April 11, 2013, 10:33 AM | #226 |
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There only hope is to get a quick vote before people have a chance to read the bill. I don't see it happening. But, I did not think Reid would risk his red state senators for this vote either, so what do I know? And I certainly did not think all those Republicans would commit career suicide voting to move forward.
These are the names of the people that I hope lose their jobs during the next two election cycles: Hoeven Ayotte Chambliss Collins Flake Isakson McCain Burr Coburn. If you happen to live in a state that elected these nitwits I suggest you give their office a call today to express your displeasure. Last edited by overhead; April 11, 2013 at 10:40 AM. |
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A six-year-old girl expelled for bringing a clear plastic gun to class will be allowed to return to school. http://www.wltx.com/news/article/219...-Gun-to-School Sen. J.B. Jennings filed his bill after the recent two-day suspension of 7-year-old Joshua Welch at Park Elementary School in Anne Arundel County for nibbling a pastry into what a teacher believed was a shape of a gun. http://articles.baltimoresun.com/201...s-gun-jennings Looking at pictures of assault weapons was his first mistake. But his fatal error was saving the image as the desktop “wallpaper” on his school-issued computer. http://libertyunyielding.com/2013/02...on-his-laptop/ Even if these expulsions and charges are being dropped when challenge, when it happens to 6 year olds, the damage is done. Any and every reference to guns is being obliterated and offenders are being castigated and you can bet it's not done behind closed doors, nooo, they will be using these incidents as examples to the other kids of what happens to evil gun people.
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April 11, 2013, 11:20 AM | #229 |
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It would be hard for them to vote on the merits of the bill when the bill had not been released to them yet
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April 11, 2013, 11:46 AM | #230 |
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The roll call on the motion for cloture: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=1&vote=00095
Alphabetical by Senator Name Alexander (R-TN), Yea Ayotte (R-NH), Yea Baldwin (D-WI), Yea Barrasso (R-WY), Nay Baucus (D-MT), Yea Begich (D-AK), Nay Bennet (D-CO), Yea Blumenthal (D-CT), Yea Blunt (R-MO), Nay Boozman (R-AR), Nay Boxer (D-CA), Yea Brown (D-OH), Yea Burr (R-NC), Yea Cantwell (D-WA), Yea Cardin (D-MD), Yea Carper (D-DE), Yea Casey (D-PA), Yea Chambliss (R-GA), Yea Coats (R-IN), Nay Coburn (R-OK), Yea Cochran (R-MS), Nay Collins (R-ME), Yea Coons (D-DE), Yea Corker (R-TN), Yea Cornyn (R-TX), Nay Cowan (D-MA), Yea Crapo (R-ID), Nay Cruz (R-TX), Nay Donnelly (D-IN), Yea Durbin (D-IL), Yea Enzi (R-WY), Nay Feinstein (D-CA), Yea Fischer (R-NE), Nay Flake (R-AZ), Yea Franken (D-MN), Yea Gillibrand (D-NY), Yea Graham (R-SC), Yea Grassley (R-IA), Nay Hagan (D-NC), Yea Harkin (D-IA), Yea Hatch (R-UT), Nay Heinrich (D-NM), Yea Heitkamp (D-ND), Yea Heller (R-NV), Yea Hirono (D-HI), Yea Hoeven (R-ND), Yea Inhofe (R-OK), Nay Isakson (R-GA), Yea Johanns (R-NE), Nay Johnson (D-SD), Yea Johnson (R-WI), Nay Kaine (D-VA), Yea King (I-ME), Yea Kirk (R-IL), Yea Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea Landrieu (D-LA), Yea Lautenberg (D-NJ), Not Voting Leahy (D-VT), Yea Lee (R-UT), Nay Levin (D-MI), Yea Manchin (D-WV), Yea McCain (R-AZ), Yea McCaskill (D-MO), Yea McConnell (R-KY), Nay Menendez (D-NJ), Yea Merkley (D-OR), Yea Mikulski (D-MD), Yea Moran (R-KS), Nay Murkowski (R-AK), Nay Murphy (D-CT), Yea Murray (D-WA), Yea Nelson (D-FL), Yea Paul (R-KY), Nay Portman (R-OH), Nay Pryor (D-AR), Nay Reed (D-RI), Yea Reid (D-NV), Yea Risch (R-ID), Nay Roberts (R-KS), Nay Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea Rubio (R-FL), Nay Sanders (I-VT), Yea Schatz (D-HI), Yea Schumer (D-NY), Yea Scott (R-SC), Nay Sessions (R-AL), Nay Shaheen (D-NH), Yea Shelby (R-AL), Nay Stabenow (D-MI), Yea Tester (D-MT), Yea Thune (R-SD), Nay Toomey (R-PA), Yea Udall (D-CO), Yea Udall (D-NM), Yea Vitter (R-LA), Nay Warner (D-VA), Yea Warren (D-MA), Yea Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea Wicker (R-MS), Yea Wyden (D-OR), Yea ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Grouped By Vote Position
YEAs ---68 Alexander (R-TN) Ayotte (R-NH) Baldwin (D-WI) Baucus (D-MT) Bennet (D-CO) Blumenthal (D-CT) Boxer (D-CA) Brown (D-OH) Burr (R-NC) Cantwell (D-WA) Cardin (D-MD) Carper (D-DE) Casey (D-PA) Chambliss (R-GA) Coburn (R-OK) Collins (R-ME) Coons (D-DE) Corker (R-TN) Cowan (D-MA) Donnelly (D-IN) Durbin (D-IL) Feinstein (D-CA) Flake (R-AZ) Franken (D-MN) Gillibrand (D-NY) Graham (R-SC) Hagan (D-NC) Harkin (D-IA) Heinrich (D-NM) Heitkamp (D-ND) Heller (R-NV) Hirono (D-HI) Hoeven (R-ND) Isakson (R-GA) Johnson (D-SD) Kaine (D-VA) King (I-ME) Kirk (R-IL) Klobuchar (D-MN) Landrieu (D-LA) Leahy (D-VT) Levin (D-MI) Manchin (D-WV) McCain (R-AZ) McCaskill (D-MO) Menendez (D-NJ) Merkley (D-OR) Mikulski (D-MD) Murphy (D-CT) Murray (D-WA) Nelson (D-FL) Reed (D-RI) Reid (D-NV) Rockefeller (D-WV) Sanders (I-VT) Schatz (D-HI) Schumer (D-NY) Shaheen (D-NH) Stabenow (D-MI) Tester (D-MT) Toomey (R-PA) Udall (D-CO) Udall (D-NM) Warner (D-VA) Warren (D-MA) Whitehouse (D-RI) Wicker (R-MS) Wyden (D-OR) NAYs ---31 Barrasso (R-WY) Begich (D-AK) Blunt (R-MO) Boozman (R-AR) Coats (R-IN) Cochran (R-MS) Cornyn (R-TX) Crapo (R-ID) Cruz (R-TX) Enzi (R-WY) Fischer (R-NE) Grassley (R-IA) Hatch (R-UT) Inhofe (R-OK) Johanns (R-NE) Johnson (R-WI) Lee (R-UT) McConnell (R-KY) Moran (R-KS) Murkowski (R-AK) Paul (R-KY) Portman (R-OH) Pryor (D-AR) Risch (R-ID) Roberts (R-KS) Rubio (R-FL) Scott (R-SC) Sessions (R-AL) Shelby (R-AL) Thune (R-SD) Vitter (R-LA) Not Voting - 1 Lautenberg (D-NJ)
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Alabama: Sessions (R-AL), Nay Shelby (R-AL), Nay Alaska: Begich (D-AK), Nay Murkowski (R-AK), Nay Arizona: Flake (R-AZ), Yea McCain (R-AZ), Yea Arkansas: Boozman (R-AR), Nay Pryor (D-AR), Nay California: Boxer (D-CA), Yea Feinstein (D-CA), Yea Colorado: Bennet (D-CO), Yea Udall (D-CO), Yea Connecticut: Blumenthal (D-CT), Yea Murphy (D-CT), Yea Delaware: Carper (D-DE), Yea Coons (D-DE), Yea Florida: Nelson (D-FL), Yea Rubio (R-FL), Nay Georgia: Chambliss (R-GA), Yea Isakson (R-GA), Yea Hawaii: Hirono (D-HI), Yea Schatz (D-HI), Yea Idaho: Crapo (R-ID), Nay Risch (R-ID), Nay Illinois: Durbin (D-IL), Yea Kirk (R-IL), Yea Indiana: Coats (R-IN), Nay Donnelly (D-IN), Yea Iowa: Grassley (R-IA), Nay Harkin (D-IA), Yea Kansas: Moran (R-KS), Nay Roberts (R-KS), Nay Kentucky: McConnell (R-KY), Nay Paul (R-KY), Nay Louisiana: Landrieu (D-LA), Yea Vitter (R-LA), Nay Maine: Collins (R-ME), Yea King (I-ME), Yea Maryland: Cardin (D-MD), Yea Mikulski (D-MD), Yea Massachusetts: Cowan (D-MA), Yea Warren (D-MA), Yea Michigan: Levin (D-MI), Yea Stabenow (D-MI), Yea Minnesota: Franken (D-MN), Yea Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea Mississippi: Cochran (R-MS), Nay Wicker (R-MS), Yea Missouri: Blunt (R-MO), Nay McCaskill (D-MO), Yea Montana: Baucus (D-MT), Yea Tester (D-MT), Yea Nebraska: Fischer (R-NE), Nay Johanns (R-NE), Nay Nevada: Heller (R-NV), Yea Reid (D-NV), Yea New Hampshire: Ayotte (R-NH), Yea Shaheen (D-NH), Yea New Jersey: Lautenberg (D-NJ), Not Voting Menendez (D-NJ), Yea New Mexico: Heinrich (D-NM), Yea Udall (D-NM), Yea New York: Gillibrand (D-NY), Yea Schumer (D-NY), Yea North Carolina: Burr (R-NC), Yea Hagan (D-NC), Yea North Dakota: Heitkamp (D-ND), Yea Hoeven (R-ND), Yea Ohio: Brown (D-OH), Yea Portman (R-OH), Nay Oklahoma: Coburn (R-OK), Yea Inhofe (R-OK), Nay Oregon: Merkley (D-OR), Yea Wyden (D-OR), Yea Pennsylvania: Casey (D-PA), Yea Toomey (R-PA), Yea Rhode Island: Reed (D-RI), Yea Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea South Carolina: Graham (R-SC), Yea Scott (R-SC), Nay South Dakota: Johnson (D-SD), Yea Thune (R-SD), Nay Tennessee: Alexander (R-TN), Yea Corker (R-TN), Yea Texas: Cornyn (R-TX), Nay Cruz (R-TX), Nay Utah: Hatch (R-UT), Nay Lee (R-UT), Nay Vermont: Leahy (D-VT), Yea Sanders (I-VT), Yea Virginia: Kaine (D-VA), Yea Warner (D-VA), Yea Washington: Cantwell (D-WA), Yea Murray (D-WA), Yea West Virginia: Manchin (D-WV), Yea Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea Wisconsin: Baldwin (D-WI), Yea Johnson (R-WI), Nay Wyoming: Barrasso (R-WY), Nay Enzi (R-WY), Nay
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April 11, 2013, 12:00 PM | #233 |
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One of the things that just occurred to me, as I was looking at the Sponsors of Feinstein's Assault Weapons Ban bill, neither of my State's Senators are co-sponsors. I think at least one of them would love to be, but won't. We voted out a sitting Speaker of the House after the last one. For all the people saying it's a different time, it appears some of the people who wish it was don't think it is.
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So, from a purely strategic standpoint is forcing a vote on the issue possible a good thing? By voting everyone has to go on record and if new restrictions ultimately fail in the Senate or the House we still have folks on record. No one can deny how they voted and this could help in the upcoming elections in more pro-gun States. Now, obviously the fear is that something ends up passing, so I guess it is a gamble.
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April 11, 2013, 12:09 PM | #236 |
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Thanks for posting the vote lists. It's quite telling when you look at the state by state votes where certain states voted en bloc, as it were, such as GA, TN, AZ, etc. unexpectedly. Obviously backroom deals have been struck.
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All of this is entirely academic, of course, as the House is exceedingly unlikely to approve anything resembling this current bill. But we'll need to work on our congressmen to make sure the House doesn't pass ANYTHING. If it does, this thing will wind up in committee, where a very small subset of representatives and senators will basically rewrite this thing to their taste.
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Well, the only thing not depressing about this morning's BS is that I don't have to look at the list to know how my home state senators voted ... It seems more and more likely to me that deals have been brokered behind closed doors to steal our freedom and I am feeling less and less confident in a) this particular bill being defeated and b) the rest of Obama's dream gun control program being defeated ... just a while ago we were dreaming that Cruz and his cohorts would be able to filibuster this latest gibberish into oblivion; that of course was before enough Republicans sold out party standards ... It's nice to think that the bill won't get out of the Senate in some form, and it's nice to think that even if it does, the House will defeat it ... I'm not so sanguine any more on either result ...
Sad to say, I really don't recognize the country I grew up in ... I used to say I was glad I was getting older so I wouldn't have to see the end result of all this, but Obama is forcing his dreams down our throats faster than I'm getting old ...
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Something almost relevant to these events.
That Sheriff Crum who was killed by Maynard in VA. He had recently bought a handgun, they say it shouldn't have happened because he should have been flagged for mental health reasons but something got fouled up and the check came back good. Quote:
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April 11, 2013, 02:07 PM | #241 |
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Debate resumed but no substance yet. Murphy did another blood dance and now someone is discussing tax reform.
Blumenthal up. More of same. Last edited by Bartholomew Roberts; April 11, 2013 at 02:20 PM. |
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Thank you for keeping us posted on this, BR. I watched Sen. Murphy for a bit just now, and I couldn't take it. "Blood dance" is spot on.
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Help me understand this: The senate voted to move forward with the debate of a bill that hasn't been published to them yet? And the authors of the bill say that its purpose is to remove exemptions to background checks for gun shows and internet sales - exemptions that never existed?
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You have to pass it before you can read it. We have seen this tap dance before.
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No way to tell. Nothing's been published.
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A small suggestion
Above, I posted the names of who voted how. Now is the time to either: (1) send a quick email to your senators for doing the right thing; or (2) send an email to your senators, telling them to shape up.
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Also, remember what was voted upon - not the measure itself, but the decision to bring the measure to the floor for limited debate and motions for amendments prefatory to a vote.
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NRA scored the procedural vote for its 2013 ratings. So every Senator who voted "Yes" this morning just took a hit to their NRA grade. A little disturbing to see that many Republicans willing to buck the NRA already.
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